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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by TheOXOCube:5pur2, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Me to! Hilariously they spent all that money on the building (got shoddy contractor in again!) and then just before (or after, I forget which) it was due to open, they found out it couldn't handle the high winds that the North Wales coast frequently gets and had to close for repairs again!
     
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    You can believe whatever you like but the way the world actually works and the way the law works is how things will actually happen. And there won't be a mass deportation <laugh> honestly the idea is completely ridiculous and has no basis in reality.
     
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  3. goonercymraeg

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    It was on this day in 2012 that we went to the 5-2 game <ok>
     
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    British people are allowed to claim benefits in other EU countries,if we leave the EU they will lose that right
     
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    That building was constructed on part of the site of the factory where I served my apprenticeship
     
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  6. winifred122

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    But surely that will be counter balanced by non British people not being able to claim benefits here?
     
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  7. afcftw

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    Anyone living in another country will then be able to claim benefits the same as other residents or citizens are based on the status they are given within the country. Again it depends on the country in question, there benefit system and how long the person has lived in the country. It won't be a case of all benefits stopping being paid.
     
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    Apparently more British nationals claim benefits in EU countries than EU nationals do in the UK
     
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    There is no guarantee of any of that happening
     
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  10. afcftw

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    Yes there is, it's called the law. All these countries have systems in place to deal with residency and benefits.
     
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    So are you saying the EU is a benefit haven for Brits?<whistle>
     
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    Being we are members of the EU British citizens have free movement across all the other countries of the EU.If we leave the EU there is absolutely no way you can guarantee that will still be the case
     
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    I know there is data available which shows how many Brits are claiming benefits in each individual EU country
     
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    Yes we have freedom of movement, which would stop if we pulled out of the EU. Meaning anyone then wishing to go and live abroad would have to follow the relevant processes within the country they choose to move to. For those already residing abroad that doesn't mean they all of a sudden have to be sent home. People who have legally taken up residence in a country won't be thrown out.
     
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    All I'm saying is that you can't guarantee that
     
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  16. winifred122

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    Leaving us with another confusing uncertainty. I am beginning to believe that the remainder of the EU pretends it is concerned we leave to call our bluff. I am sure that many will be worried that their constituents will be interested in the result of our referendum with a view to demanding one of their own. Some Danish and Dutch colleagues of mine are suggesting this may happen in their countries. As I have said before, in my own humble opinion, the EU is not working as it should. Maybe too many member states, maybe not. Can we survive outside of the EU? In my view we probably can, but not without some sensible agreements. Can the EU survive without us as full time members? Well, this is where it gets interesting. If we vote 'out' we may see the start of the crumbling of the EU as other, stronger, nations may well be under internal pressure to seek a separate deal for themselves. That's what the likes of Merkel do not want to happen.
     
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    There is an issue that hasn't been mentioned before, not specifically pertaining to the EU but the EU could affect it.

    There is a growing, and very, very worrying growing far-right influence across Europe with immigrants/foreigners being blamed for all sorts of societies ills. This is coinciding with not only economic hardship but also a restriction of civil freedoms. The last time we experienced anything like this in Europe was in the late 20s/30s when we went from quite an artistically free continent to a very conservative, far-right wing continent with a quick rise of fascist feeling in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Czech Republic and other countries.

    The same seems to be happening now, with far right marches, demonstrations and attacks regularly happening across Europe and far right parties gaining power in parliaments. There are marked tensions throughout Europe on how to deal with the refugee crisis and rising populations, and how the Southern states are disproportionately affected. If, as well could happen, a domino effect is created by us leaving the EU, with other nations leaving after us and we see the break up of the EU, we could see real, marked tensions between European countries and with continued refugees fleeing from the ME and coming in, together with others from Libya and other countries, it's possible we could see another major conflict very soon.
     
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  18. Smirnoffpriest

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    That's the whole point though isn't it - we are talking about whole rafts of laws needing to be changed as a result of us exiting the EU - how they are changed is the question....
     
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  19. Smirnoffpriest

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    Sorry I just looked into again, and misread it - we don't have a FTA ourselves as you say, instead we put influence on the EU to create a FTA between the EU and the Commonwealth. So we already have access to the Commonwealth FTA that some Brexit supporters claim will replace the EU trade.

    Though none of our exports to any one Commonwealth country make up more than 4% of our total exports....
     
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  20. afcftw

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    Yes I can... EU countries already have systems in place for residency, citizenship etc... There are laws already in place that would qualify people to remain living where they are. Even UKIP have said they couldn't legally remove people already living in the uk having moved here from the EU under freedom of movement.
     
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