Hmmm.... i'm not sure how i feel about this. At the same time it's tragic that people get violent and do horrible things especially as there is a link behind upbringing and abuse although this isn't always the case. There's a big dilemma in finding the right people to take care to introduce proper values (although this won't always work) and to keep these going. There will never be enough money/time/people to help these sorts of people and even when you do, it won't be for an indefinite period and won't always work. Do you leave these people to eventually do harm to others or continue the cycle when they have their kids and abuse them etc etc or do we try to come up with a system that helps them as much as possible. I'm more authoritarian and i think i'd prefer to see these people gone through strict discipline and if some are pushed over the edge then that would be better than having them terrorise other peoples lives however sad that may be.
Our understanding of mental health and how the brain works has increased massively over the last 10 years or so, so we don't categorise people with genuine illnesses as simply 'crazy'. Its only now diseases like depression are actually being taken seriously by the majority and not written off as someone just feeling a bit down.
We also get plenty of people taking advantage of that too. It's a bit like the infamous "back trouble" - impossibly to prove otherwise so people claim it knowing they can get paid benefits for being a lazy twat (again, not everyone)
Tell that to the 74 year old lady who gets punched in the face and mugged by these kids. I understand that a lot of Anti Social behaviour stems from social inequality and abuse, but at the same time, over coddling these individuals is counter productive. Writing off all these issues as them just having "mental illnesses" is something I don't agree with either, sometimes, people are just ****s.
there is a huge difference between a) you have a problem b) you do something to someone else there is not necessarily a direct correlation between I did X cos I have Y disease.... no you didn't you chose to you X to someone. its more or less the same as i was off my face on crack. i killed the old dear but i was off my face. you still get life. you chose to get off your face. Now ok... the reason its only more or less is that peoepl who have mental health issues don't choose to have the issues but.... 99% of the time they start with treatment somewhere and choose to come off it.... or in case of young kids choose to believe an idiot telling them they've some weird sounding syndrome and its ok to beat up old ladys. everyone still has a choice. when your choice is to harm someone else you go way beyond the boundaries of having an excuse IMO. 99% can harm themselves, sadly but would never harm others. 1% might go manic or have a psychosis but they are patently obvious. We see cases or parents killing kids now, why? we did not before... are they any more loony? no they have heard about other cases thats all and CHOOSE to do a heinous thing.
Absolutely this. I know it exists but i'm still sceptical that half the people i know who "suffer with it" are just lazy ****ing twats having known their personalities and how much they've been scamming the system.
there is an element of truth in this national service etc. there were a lot of outlets for nastys in the world in olden times. there wee a lot of places to send guys who wanted to be nasty to fellow humans around the empire and they did their foul deeds. these days theres a very narrow band of expected behaviour to conform to and roles in society. You have to go to school do x, get y qualification, work in a call center, never harm a fly and so forth and so on. We've no botany bay to send them too , no mines to go down, little manual labor or even apprentice trades left... not everyone fits in the worker drone mould the big corporations expect.
Oh yeah, because a 74 year old lady getting punched in the face and mugged is such a common occurrence. We should bring back national service because there's an epidemic of 74 year old women getting punched and robbed.
Of course, we've been banging on about respect, lack of discipline, national service, etc but one major thing is different to yesterday and that is the population compared to the number of jobs available.
It's a very very very small % of people suffering mental illness that cause harm to others. As for national service..does it have to be military? Give them a choice...behave well and do a year of community service... Charity work or Princes Trust type thing..National trust environment work etc.. Link it to paying for Uni or Apprenticeship fees being paid instead of charged. Or deposits towards rentals or first years utility bills. Reward learning community service with a foot up in life. For the really bad bastards how about we get back to prison sentences being real again instead of a number that gets halfed immediately... Halfed again if you plead guilty.... Need to build state of the art facilities to replace the dogshite we put them in at the minute...
Working for a charity myself, I've come across these types of groups a few times. The problem I find with these environments is the leaders try to be their mates meaning the people attending see it as a laugh rather than punishment. I don't agree with the separation side either. Not all groups with disruptive youngsters in do something in liking with punishment. The kids that behave see the troublesome ones going elsewhere and its often portrayed as a treat or bribe to get them to behave. The well behaved should be rewarded. The problem with taking that route is the rewarded get bullied for being a teachers pet, square, geek, suck up, etc.
I could get on board with that, anything that teaches them respect or discipline to be honest. I, for the most part, cannot stand the military, but it was the first authoritarian body i thought of, and I would never agree with putting these kids into combat. Anything that helps them become better citizens would be the key.
