Disagree. The next big war will be earth shatteringly destructive which none of us will survive to experience any "mess"
I disagree, respect comes naturally to the majority of people with age. The real story of the war is that 450,000 British people were killed in WWII, how many children growing up without one of his parents is that? How many parents losing a child? How many people losing a brother or sister? That doesn't have a positive effect on anybody involved. There are also the people who came back from the war healthy but they are burdened with the stuff they saw for the rest of their lives, you can heal bullet wounds but you can never forget the horror of the things you saw and had to do (like the stuff RHC & Wishi have mentioned earlier on the thread). I think bringing back national service to instil discipline into a small majority would be foolish. You only have to look at America and look at the fact that people who served in the military are 50% more likely to commit suicide than people who haven't. That is a hell of a burden to place on the young men of this country just on the off chance that a minority of disrespectful teens will learn to respect people.
I never claimed war was a good thing and resulted in in a positive effect. I said it helps build respect for human life, clearly you do too otherwise you wouldn't have used the number of deaths as part of your response. Youngsters of today (not all of them) have zero respect for anything, whether that be a neighbour or some of authority. Sure, most people naturally become more respectful with age but then, we're not talking about OAPs here are we? As I said, I left school nearly twenty years ago and there was zero respect from pupils then. I couldn't imagine what it is like nowadays. Speak to a youngster about playing football in a car park (just an example) and witness the abuse thrown back at you because they know you can't do anything about it. CCTV doesn't bother them anymore either because they've never known left without cameras!
Agree with this 100% Kids are horrid these days. They tried to reel them in about 10 years ago with the introduction of ASBOs and it backfired spectacularly, because the snot nosed ****s saw an ASBO as a badge of honour, and some argue it even increased anti-social behaviour as kids began to compete with each other on who could "earn" the most ASBOs! National Service is the way to go. I don't agree with sending kids to fight, but a year spent at a boot camp getting respect hammered into them by a Drill Sargeant would be just the ticket. No actual fighting, just training, discipline, and respect taught to these little scrotes. please log in to view this image
Did anyone watch the Boot Camp TV show that was on a few years ago? Youngsters that had been given various ASBOs were invited to take part. Half the stuff a Drill Sergeant used to do obviously wouldn't be allowed nowadays so they couldn't do everything but some of the youngsters taking part simply couldn't hack it. Edit: just done a quick search and I think this is it (could be wrong though)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_(TV_series) ...if so, they're not even youngsters! Mainly mid-twenties with one guy being 50!
Yup. I dont mean send all kids to this place, but the ones with behavioural problems. Rather than giving them a slap on the wrist and an unenforced curfew, make em spend a year getting their asses kicked by a drill instructor.
Not sure National Service is even needed tbh (but it wouldn't hurt). I think letting teachers and/or head teachers take action would be enough. Of course, the PC brigade will be out in force stopping any such thing happening. not to mention parents when their child claims to have been mistreated! We had the social worker at our house last week because my youngest had his second birthday so they needed to sign us off. Whilst she was sat there she was talking about appropriate punishment claiming hitting them (we're talking a slap on the wrist here) only tells the child it is acceptable to hit. What utter ****ing bullshit!
You dont need to hit a child, children are generally stupid and can be manipulated and punished far more effectively if you **** with their minds. Though I wont disagree that sometimes the urge to give them a back hander is hard to surpress. My daughter is 5 and she recently started slapping me and her mother if she was annoyed with us, obviously it didn't hurt because she was 5, but i told her, that everytime she hits, one of her toys gets stamped on and thrown in the bin. She got through about 4 Barbies and half a dozen Monster High Dolls before it sank in, but the other day I told her "no" on something and I saw her raise her hand to hit, then immediately realise the consequences and lower it again. Score One daddy!
I was a good boy, so I didn't need it I had my moments, set a fire once, some minor shop lifting, minor drug use, but I was never violent or abusive to anyone in anyway Boys will be boys. I should clarify I dont mean obligatory National Service for ALL youths, just the ones with behaviour issues. (Violence, Anti Social stuff etc)
I've got a similar issue with my two year old atm. That's why the social working starting talking about punishments etc (his mother decided it would be a good idea to tell her were having a issue with him )
I find social workers to be a pain in the ass and intrusive if anything. I understand they perform a necessary function, but unless there is child abuse happening or the kid is going through some kind of PTSD (witnessing the death of a parent etc), then they should stay the **** out of it.
I agree in principal but not in practice. They should never "stay out of it" else all sorts could go undetected. However, you'd think with them doing visits every day of their working lives they'd learn to read whether it is good or bad parents in front of them. Only reason the hitting thing annoyed me was because there was no mention of hitting but she went into the third degree on how to deal with it. And she knew full well we had two older kids too My second got hold of the house phone once without my knowledge. He'd been banging numbers hanging up and repeating. I got a knock at the door; police! They were checking for a disturbance because of the phone calls. My initial thought was "what a over reaction" but within a couple of minutes I appreciated that they'd checked. That could have been someone in desperate need of help so they were right to call round. Later I had a problem with it though. They never asked or attempted to go beyond the front door. They were visiting about a potential disturbance but accepted my word that it was my son (which they never saw). For all they knew, my mrs (nm) could have been beaten to within an inch of her life! Basically, these people are the job they are to ensure public safety, whether that be a baby or a pensioner. I believe at majority of their visits will be nothing but they a entirely worth it even if they only help one person in a thousand visits!
That would make more sense, but I still don't agree with it. There's usually a root cause for someone misbehaving e.g. abusive childhood, learning deficiencies, bullied at school and so on. I don't think having someone shouting at them and pushing them to their physical & mental limits is what most youths with behavioural problems need. It probably pushes a lot of them off the edge, which is why we see so many suicides by American military veterans, most of which have never been deployed.
Well thats kinda what i mean, if Child abuse is suspected then they should get involved, but otherwise.... And yeah, they need better bullshit detectors
For some yes, for others, its just because they are ****s. Whatever happened to good old fashioned crazy?
