Off Topic Political Debate

Good post

 

Yes dear.

I've just spent 4 months living at my parents house, the house I grew up in and a few kms down the road from the primary school I went to, and I'm still not considered an equal to French citizens because I've not been working in this country.

How could I do the same thing with Brexit and not having a green card/visa? My parents had to get them when we first moved here about 25 years ago, what's different?

You honestly think I'm trying to claim that I'd need a green card to visit my parents for the weekend? Please apply common sense before jumping in and trying to point-score.

Scare stories? Give me a break. As I've already mentioned we've been showered in EU scare stories for my entire life.

 

I would have thought that until mid May we should all be more bothered about trying to get into Europe rather than leaving

 

I'm sure if Brexit occurred the jilted countries would act spitefully initially but would quickly learn to put the interests of their respective citizens as the prime importance. It would be in everyones interest to agree to favourable trading terms. The Euro countries will be free, without constraint, to rush headlong into political and fiscal union, good luck with that.

 

The rules are quite clear. You can spend 90 days in an EU country as a visitor after which you have to take steps to regularize your status. This would be why w_y has had no problems travelling around Europe, but a 4 month stay could create problems.

 

Must be a different kind of British then? I didn't need a visa or green card for France 30 years ago, could have stayed for 6 months if I felt like it. What sort of passport do you have that wouldn't enable free visa less entry as we have to many countries on this planet anyway? Going to work in a country is a different matter.....

 

I was only basing my comments on yours - to refresh your memory:-

" otherwise I'd have to face a visa/green card situation to spend time with my family"

Is that not clearly indicating you believe you will need a visa/green card to visit your family?

Tsk...

 

Can we use up all of the 'leave' scare stories today so we can have a proper debate tomorrow?

 

No, it's not, as I've mentioned several times on here that I've moved back to France.

Nice of you to avoid every other point though

 

Most of us on here appear to have already made their minds up (25 years ago in some cases....) so I doubt there'll be much debate.

 

I think that we have only scare stories to play around with - on both sides. The truth is that nobody knows for certain what things would be like in the event of a British withdrawal, we can only speculate because we have no precedent for it. The one thing which is certain is that about 40%-45% of the population will probably be against the result - how will they be able to live with it ? Whether this is on a regional basis, or on the basis of our youth being outvoted in something which effects their whole future. Would the kippers simply disappear from politics if they lose ? Will Cameron resign if he loses ? Will Scotland force another referendum if Britain leaves (they would imo. be highly justified in doing so in that case) ? Would the 'result' be seen as final ? The last thing that Britain needs is an inconclusive result on this one.

 

The Brexit team have a head-start of several decades.

 

With the current price of oil it would be madness for the Scots to vote to leave. The SNP failed to get any favourable response from Brussels last time, I'm not sure if it would be any better next time.

 

An interesting piece on the news today. Legally if the UK applied to leave the EU there would be a two year period to sort out the nuts and bolts. If at the end of that two year period no agreement has been approved by both sides, including all members of the EU, then discussions could continue for an indefinite period.

 

Ah well we are staying in then

 

They normally find a way of making nations come around to their ideas if they don't like the answer!!!

 

The administrative process will be an absolute nightmare for those involved. Even just applying to join all the various global organisations we're members of through the EU will be a signifcant (and costly) task. That said, from a purely selfish point of view, it could be quite exciting being the delegate for the UK rather than part of the EU team.

 

If you have moved back to France, why would you need a Visa/Green Card?

What other points, I do not see any questions?

 

Ahhh - that is democracy for you.

 

Because I'm a UK citizen with a British passport.

Some of my questions for Brexiters:

You keep on claiming that the Stay-In party are using fear tactics, yet the Leave party have been firing out fear stories and lies about the EU for decades. Do you not see what's wrong in your description?

What do you think will happen to the economy if we leave? Will wages rise? Will the cost of living reduce? Will our national debt be paid off faster? Do you think organisations like the NHS won't suffer if we don't have instant access to an international workforce?

Can you name me, without any research, 5 EU laws that negatively impact our country?

Why shouldn't EU migrants be allowed to move here to work or live when Brits can move/live anywhere in the EU? Now Cameron has got what he wanted and is going to block in-work benefits for EU migrants, surely the benefits issue has been buried. Why should Brits get special treatment compared to other EU nationalities?

If it all goes horribly wrong and the economy tanks, can us 'lefties' blame it all on the Tory government for the foreseeable future? (even though this is a choice rather than being victim to an international banking crisis)