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  1. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    He was probably drugged to his eyeballs on Viagra's. So was at it like a steam train...
     
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  2. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    That is probably the nastiest post I've ever seen on this forum!!!! lol
     
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  4. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    So a referendum for EU membership has been set by Cameron, it'll be the 23 June - a month and a half after the 5 May elections for Scotland, Northern Ireland*, Wales and also the London Mayoral elections

    This vote has the potential to hugely affect our day to day lives, our jobs and the services and benefits we use. But it's pretty easy to see that it will have some effect on us.

    There's a lot of fear mongering out there and very little clear facts or unbiased info on the subject, which is of course what some want, but if anyone has any links to any credible, factual sources of info, then it could be good to post them here, so it can help undecided people cut through the fear mongering and make an informed decision.

    * I think the NI elections are on the 5th.
     
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  5. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    George Galloway,Nigel Farage and Iain Duncan Smith all want to leave the EU.That's made my mind up for me.<ok>
     
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  6. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    And the sage Boris Johnson lol
     
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  7. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Never would have though that ol Galloway would be mentioned in the same breath as three Conservatives!
     
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  8. BrunelGooner

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    The only thing I've found myself agreeing with Galloway on is the Israel-Palestine issue and his criticism of the Conservatives. Everything else he has said and how he's acted is ridiculous though.

    I'll probably be voting for Sadiq. Not a huge fan of him, but he's the best of a bad bunch.
     
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  9. goonercymraeg

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    If the referendum result is for the UK to remain in the EU it will be interesting to see if Farage and his cohorts resign their seats as UKIP MEP's or will remain on the gravy train
     
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    Johnson is just showing what an opportunistic **** he is
     
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  11. Smirnoffpriest

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    Seriously though, I'm joking about that. It was more facts I wanted to portray to counter some of the wild fear mongering, such as that all the Syrian immigrants want to come here just for our benefits.

    In actual fact they aren't immigrants - economic migrants are people who come to another country looking for a job, if they are outside of the Schegen Area then they need a VISA to travel to the UK, to get a VISA you need to either have a sponsor/job to come to or have a skill that we need.

    These are refugees fleeing torture, persecution and death threats in a war torn country torn apart between a murderous dictator and barbaric secret police on one side, terrorists and extremists on another, a healthy dose of militants and rebels and other armed groups, while a huge drought is turning a huge portion of the country into an dustbowl/desert. And on top of that you have air raids by European countries, Americans and Russians bombing what homes, hospitals and business are left standing.

    The majority of refugees are in the surrounding countries Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq (nice safe country) and the Turkish refugee camps*. According to this site to date the UK has taken 5,000 Syrian refugees - https://fullfact.org/immigration/has-uk-only-taken-216-syrian-refugees/ in total of the estimated 6.5 million to have fled the war/crop failures in Syria since 2011.

    Just as a comparison, Lebanon is around the size of Cornwall and a bit of Devon and has a population of 4.8m and has taken 1m Syrian refugees.

    * note - the average stay at a refugee camp is 17 years http://thefreethoughtproject.com/av...mp-17-years-expert-camps-the-cities-tomorrow/ - during which time you have no legal rights, no ability to earn money, work or own anything. The Turkish camps have little food, water, shelter or safety and are rife with criminal gangs and human traffickers.
     
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  12. Smirnoffpriest

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    I also understand that the EU referendum vote is entirely different from the Syrian refugee one, but one is being used as a stick on the other issue to erroneously make some people believe that we are taking more 'migrants' in this 'migrant crisis' than anyone else and it's because we are part of the EU. So I felt the facts/links were worth adding.

    If when I get time I'll add some others. Hopefully others will as well.

    I have to say I know little about George Galloway and his policies (a bit of gap of mine) so don't want anyone to think I'm stating I know anything about him.
     
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    Shamelessly stolen from another board on this site...

    If we exit the EU;

    The UK will have to struggle on without -
    Romanian pickpockets and scammers
    Kurdish Big Issue sellers
    Eastern European booze bootleggers, drug dealers, pimps and fraudsters
    Hungarian sandwich makers
    Polish baristas
    Slovakian fruit pickers

    Somehow we will have to cope with -
    Emptying our prisons of EU criminals
    The saving of billions in benefits
    The creation of our own Human Rights laws
    Creating jobs for our indigenous unemployed

    It's going to be a nightmare.


    Booooom!

     
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  15. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Ahh well there goes the facts on this thread...
     
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    Tiddler Hoshu-tekina

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    about as factual as dragging the Syrian mess into the debate - just more smoke and mirrors from the loony left methinks.
     
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  17. Smirnoffpriest

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    Another thing I have seen lots of comments online and in the press about faceless bureaucrats from Brussels running Europe and us losing our democracy to an unelected European elite.

    However the EU is lead on a rotational basis by each of the Heads of State of it's (main) members in turn - each of whom is democratically elected. Each countries democratically elected MEP then come together to debate issues and put forward ideas for the improvement of the whole. These can be vetoed by any member state.

    The civil servants then action any decisions - much in the same way the Whitehall civil servants do the 'work' of running the government in the UK, but only at the direction of the democratically elected Government in Westminster/Downing St.
     
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  18. PINKIE

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    Those who want out of Europe claim the UK could go it alone and still trade with Europe, but as is the case with Norway, they still have to pay into Europe to trade with them, the only difference is that they don't have a seat at the table in Europe and therefore have no say over any of the decision making.
     
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    We don't have much say now
     
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  20. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    We'd have none if we left, and we'd still be subject to EU trading rules if we wanted to trade with them.
     
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