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  1. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

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  2. SamKimish

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    I'd argue that they've done the right thing

    http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

     
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  4. SamKimish

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    Yes.

    It takes a brave company to stand up to the US government and it is something that we should applaud Apple for.

    I have vilified Apple in the past for slave-like worker conditions, unfair wages, exploitation of underage workers etc.

    But Apple have stood up for our right to privacy here and it is an incredibly important moment in the relatively short history of the internet age.
     
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    Apple (not a fan myself) are well within the law. FBI do not have the right, either moral or legal to expect Apple to compromise a security feature built into a worldwide selling product just so that they can investigate One phone used in a domestic crime. End of.
     
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  6. Archers Road

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    So the right to privacy is absolute? Remember this is a terrorist's phone we're talking about.

    On the subject of who stands up for whose rights, consider this; the FBI is answerable to the US govt, which is answerable to the electorate - Apple is answerable only to it's shareholders.

    If Apple win this case it brings the world closer to the day when all power rests with corporations and democracy is a hollow farce.
     
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  7. TheSecondStain

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  8. tiggermaster

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    Isn't what the FBI is asking for exactly what the Chinese Government want from Apple? A 'back door' to their system, that would likely be hackable by any government or worse. But of course The Chinese are renowned for their democratic processes.. It's a conundrum, perhaps there is away that can be sorted case by case. In the old days if the police in this country wanted to tap a phone they had to apply case by case to the courts. There has to be some way information on an individual case basis can be accessed via the courts without compromising everybody's privacy.
     
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...rseas-is-keeping-up-appearances-a6880806.html

    The most popular TV programme sold worldwide by the BBC is Keeping Up Appearances. The writer has said the show has been very good to him (and presumably the cast) and he puts the success down to everyone recognising the character. The chap who wrote Some Mothers Do Have 'Em lives on the Island and he has lived off that one show every since.
     
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    Funny I've been watching Dickensian and every time the Inspector says Inspector Bucket in my mind I'm going bouquet <laugh>
     
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    Bucket is a common name on the Island, but a teacher at my son's school loathed the programme as she spent half her time smiling weakly at the same joke.
     
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    I watched the early episodes, but got distracted, so I've downloaded the rest so far. But while watching Inspector Bucket the thought did occur to me too. Guess Patricia Routledge gave a us a legendary character in TV history.

    And I read Bleak House years before Keeping Up Appearances.
     
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    If we compromise the security of every iPhone user in the world for the sake of investigating one individual phone then the terrorists have already won.
     
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    My natural instinct is to side with those fighting terrorism, but, in this case, I too feel uneasy. The only puzzle for me though is if Apple could do it if they wanted to, why couldn't someone else? I'm also rather surprised that Apple haven't already developed the system to overcome their own security. Sounds a bit unlikely that they haven't....but what do I know about technology.
     
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    I have just watched the 2nd new X-files . As Beefy said the acting was poor . also obvious FORD is sponsoring it , what with the Dash Screen info . Still liking it , but someone said episode 3 is poor as well .........
     
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    If you are a developer of IT security then you always have the means to interfere with it. However, although I joked earlier, it is perfectly possible that Apple wouldn't know how to dissect their own security [although unlikely] if they buy in the security from a 3rd party specialist. In that case they may not have the licence to interfere and to admit so would make them look less capable. It's not so uncommon that companies buy in hardware and software. Guess who makes Apple's main chips for their iPhones, for example? The fierce rival that outsells them in phones, Samsung.
     
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    Indeed. It's easy to take the 'he's a terrorist, others would have nothing to fear' line. The fact is, as wikileaks* have shown, our politicians/governments are rather casual when it comes to the privacy of the general public and how information is used. Some councils were using the terrorism act (covert surveillance) to trap parking offenders a few years ago. If it's there someone will abuse it.

    *I just wish Julian Assange didn't come across as a bit creepy to me. But maybe that 'cos the US have done a great PR job on him.
     
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    http://news.sky.com/story/1644050/man-rescued-by-disney-cruise-is-hacking-suspect

    Soapbox alert.

    Man rescued by a Disney cruise liner was a hacker (member of Anonymous) who disrupted a children's hospital and caused 300K worth of damage in protest at a girl being held against their will in the psychiatric unit. Don't know right or wrongs about the girl's detention, but I get very angry at people like this risking the well being of others out of a sense of self righteousness. They feel that what they do is warranted...but they may be on dodgy grounds if it is based on the kind of trash you get on the internet. I think hackers should be punished as if the damage they did was a theft. 300K damage to an organisation = major burglary. If a person is injured or killed because of your actions = GBH/manslaughter/murder. They live in a virtual world, but consequences are in the real world.
     
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    I liked the 2nd episode as well, it was me who said about ep3 being poor, (on someone else's say so) but I will watch it all the same.
     
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    I LIKED the 2nd episode , but thought the acting was poor . I am looking forwards to the third , just hope it's better is some respects .

    BTW What the fck have channel 5 done to their app !!!!!!!!
     
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