Sound familiar? Since those very words were being tripped out about United when Moyes was in charge we have remained very much deep in turmoil. As are Chelsea right now. To suggest they are anything but is quite frankly ludicrous. They were there for the taking on Sunday and we failed to take them, if that's a sign of van Gaal's 'philosophy' working then he can keep it. While I agree that Pochettino is a good candidate there is an element of flavour of the month to him. The only proven winner out there who is readily available is Mourinho, so we either go down that route and are back in the hunt with immediate effect or we take a chance on an up and coming manager and accept there may be a longer fallow period than we had at first imagined. That throws Giggs back in the mix. But that's 'the dumbest' suggestion you ever heard, right? From the bloke who suggested Martinez.
As I have said many times, Chelsea's season as a whole is a shambles, but since Hiddink has come in they are playing well again. You don't go 10 games unbeaten if your playing like a side in turmoil! You seem to as per usual be putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5, I have never said LVGs philosophy is working. If I thought it was working I wouldn't want him replaced in the summer, however he has taught the players a lot about possession football, so I think we are better off building on that, rather than going for a manager who will use a completely different style. We may not be the best side in the Premier League, but we are better on the ball than any other side in the league. Right through our team we have players who are good on the ball, and that's thanks to LVGs coaching. So I'd rather us go for another possession based manager, so the players can build on that style of play. Going for Mourinho would be a complete waste of 2 years of coaching. Half the reason why we are struggling is because we keep employing managers who play completely different football. We went from Fergie who was about pace and penetration, to Moyes who was kick and rush, to now LVG who's very continental and possession based. So now after all that coaching under LVG we want another kick and rush manager in Mourinho. It's just completely confusing the players. In regards Martinez, yeah he may not be a big name, but he's continental and very attacking, he won the FA Cup with Wigan by attacking teams, and he always shows a lot of class in press conferences. I think he'd do well for us. His Everton side are very entertaining to watch, always high scoring games.
I accept your argument in prInciple but neither Pochettino or Martinez play the same as van Gaal has 'taught' so that's where you are contradicting yourself. The logical replacement would have been Guardiola, that ship has sailed though so the reality is whoever comes in will bring his own style. In that case it's as well Mourinho as anyone else. I also really don't see an FA cup with Wigan as proof of being a proven winner as he also took them down that year. If we have to have a proven winner then it's a league title we need to see on the CV.
He also got Wigan relegated by attacking teams. In the same season no less. Martinez would be an unmitigated disaster, you would ship goals by the truck load with him in charge. Mourinho would be far better, your classification of Mourinho's style as "Kick and Rush" football is laughable, also comparing his style to Moyes' is equally ridiculous. Mourinho builds teams from the back, but if you had watched his first two seasons at Chelsea (2005-2006) and his entire time at Real madrid, you would know that he adapts the team he is managing to the league he is playing in and the personnel he has at his disposal, he makes teams play to their strengths. If you think Madrid under Jose were a kick and rush side then there is no helping you.
I don't want to go through yet another season where we under achieve because we're adapting/rebuilding under some unproven manager (and in that I include Poch Giggs and Martinez). At least with Jose we will hit the ground running, we know what the team is capable of, we certainly know what he is capable of (good and bad), but at least the football will improve and so will the results. It doesn't even have to be pretty any more, so long as we get back to winning ways. Pretty can be introduced when the time is right.
I partly agree with you, although if we put Mourinho in charge it increases the likelihood we will spend another few years adapting / rebuilding once he leaves. That's been his track record at most clubs so far - a couple of seasons of great success, a possible third season of turmoil whilst he pisses people off then a couple of seasons of rebuilding after he leaves. Although tbf it was more the managers that followed him that caused the rebuilding issues the first time at Chelsea and at Inter. Personally I'm not at the level of being fed up with rebuilding and ready to plump for anyone who can offer us some experience and success. That was where we went wrong with LVG - he was supposed to use his proven experience to steady the ship and win some trophies ready for a new manager to take over, instead we aren't much steadier than when he took over, particularly given how badly his possession approach is working out. I'd be willing to go for a less proven manager who does have a clear idea of what the club is about and what he wants to achieve in terms of playing style, even if it takes a few years to get there. It took SAF long enough, but it was worth the wait in the end. Although there's honestly no manager who really stands out as SAF did in the world at the moment - Simeone and Pochettino are the closest, but not 100% convinced by either.
I would disagree with that statement, Swarbs. LvG has an idea of exactly what he wanted to implement. But sadly it has not worked out. However, the foundation is there for us to see. We do have a good team, a young one if I may add, just not cohesive and consistent. When Moyes' left, we had a shyte team. At least we now argue over philosophy, albeit failed one, Moyes had nothing for us to argue over other than "utter failure"! As for SAF recommending another manager... PFFFT! Moyes worked out well, huh?!
So the only difference between Moyes and LVG is that one had the opportunity to buy players and the other didn't?
And what exactly was that? An endless stream of 1-0 wins with 70% possession seems to be his aim. In which case, see my point about a manager who has a clear idea of what the club is about...
Us playing possession football is a FRAUD. LVG was given money to buy the players to suit his style of play which failed. In the start of he season it looked like we were good at possession football because teams were sitting back. Arsenal exposed us. We can't play possession football against teams that are attacking and it is obvious van gaal doesn't believe in counter attacking football. It happened in the champions league too when we were outplayed by PSV and Wolfsburg. Ever since teams started coming out to play against us the possession football was gone and we hardly get results. Against stoke at home we had less possession and won 3-0. We played well against Chelsea before we scored. But after we scored lvg tried to let the team go back to possession football which failed yet again because Chelsea were attacking.
The Board of Directors is failing United. In my opinion, Ryan Giggs should have been installed as interim manager with Jose taking on the job for next season and Giggs back at number two. We have sank so low in expectation that this is becoming a joke. EDIT: It has become a joke!
Interesting piece today in the Daily Torygraph suggesting that Giggs take over with SAF mentoring him. The logic seems to be that SAF had originally planned to distance himself from the club after his retirement - golf, fishing, long holidays etc, but it has turned out that he is ever present at all our games - home and away. That being the case, it wouldn't be too much of a burden on his time to be at the end of the phone to advise Giggs on team selection, tactics and transfers. Could it work ?
I think in Daily Torygraph speak 'mentoring' means keeping Giggs busy while SAF goes round and bangs his wife.
Man Utd are an attacking team that don't sack their manager. in the meantime, fans try to get a second manager sacked in two years so they can have him replaced by Jose' 'park the bus' Mourinho.
Miserable? I find it ****ing hilarious how quickly you lot sell out. as to GKs I see yours managed to get on the score sheet yesterday, and is keeping up his 'excellent' 1 goal conceded for every 3 on shots on target
Surely if Jose was the man they where after then they'd make a change now seeing as he's available, and there is still some time to salvage something from this season. I think the fact they haven't made the change is a sign that Jose may not be the man, and they are waiting for someone else to become available in the summer.
