Match Day Thread West Ham V Liverpool

It was a fun throwback...

 

Just like his Ma

 

Could Adam.Johnston not have pleaded guilty to kiddy fiddling before scoring against us?

While I understand innocent before guilty and as such the club allowing him to play. His subsequent guilty plea has made the club look like right mugs..

 

Should get prison time even if she was nearly legal. Wonder if the club will cancel his contract?

 

Well he'll now officially be a child sex offender. I can not see how he could continue.

 

always was going to be as the grooming charge was surely going to be pretty much a stick on as the electronic evidence would be visible

 

Took the dog for a walk to calm down after the game last night and missed the fun and games *cough*
from what remains it reminded me of the gooner board after the slaughter at Anfield in 13-14 which was a epic match thread

 

Didn't know he'd groomed her Haven't read anything on it but just assumed a drunken episode following a nightclub rendezvous.

 

Hence the reason he's had to admit to it at the death. As his defence team will have seen the evidence.

 

oh yes that was why i was always convinced that he would end up on the sex offenders register

 

So he knew then? That she was underage? Like I said I haven't read up on it, but if he was building a relationship, somewhere along the way he would have found out her age. So either he knew initially and is a nonce, or found out along the way and carried on anyway... and is a nonce.

 

He was engaging with a 15 year old girl via the net and text, and he's ended up having a physical encounter with her.

He's admitted 'grooming' and a count of physically touching her, but denied 2 other charges - presumably of having intercourse with her.

The grooming alone will get him 18 months.

I was saying on the Sunderland board, that in France or Italy what he'd done wouldn't be illegal because of the age of consent, and yet over here he'll be classed as a ***** and will go down for it. Weird when you stand back from it......

 

Mate in my profession, I've attended some training days on Safeguarding and listened to recordings of actual *****'s admitting to grooming and child sex offences. It's disturbing listening but as part of that you get to find out that this is very much a psychological problem. You either fancy kids or you don't.

In that sense, it's not so much about legalities (here or abbroad), some ppl are just wired differently and it's often as a result of childhood sexual experiences.

EDIT: I just thought AJ had been duped or just hadn't realised she was underage. To think he actually has that psychological difference, that he's wired that way, is a bit of a shock tbh.

 

Yeah it's always a cloudy issue the closer it gets to the age of consent, circumstance does come into it e.g one being 18 and one being 15 is very different to a 28 year old and judges often take that into account. but then there has to be a line drawn...some cultures think its ok to marry and have sex with 12 year olds.


Our culture decided long ago that it didn't like anyone over 18 sexually engaging with someone under 16.

From what I've read this wasn't a case of mistaking her age...he persued her over time and engaged in some kind of sexual activity.

Personally I'm happy with the current age of consent and I'm also happy with the idea it is not always treated black and white. If it was I'm assuming most guys growing up might have been in trouble at least once in their late teens...

 

If a bloke his age had tried it on with one of my daughters when they were 15 he would not be able to play football at any level again. I think the law they have in Holland, and maybe Germany, is more sensible were they take into account the age gap. So over here if a 15 yr old girl sleeps with her boyfriend who is nearly 17 it is a criminal offence not a relationship, in Holland it would not be.

If however the same 15 yr old slept with a 25 yr old boyfriend he would be charged. The law here is very black and white were elsewhere it is a bit more sensible.

I know a lad who when he was just 15 got his girlfriend pregnant, she was a bit younger than him but in the same year at school, the Police were involved and he nearly got charged even though it was consenting, in the end he was let off with a warning. They stayed together until their early twenties.

 

*****philes are sexually attracted to kids, they therefore need to look like kids....

Not seen the girl in question in this case, but it's likely that she may have been physically mature at 15 - and not giving the appearance of a 'kid'.

In your profession you must have seen the 'teacher / pupil' relationship over the years, no? The case of that beaut who took the 15 yr old girl over to France as they were 'in love' comes to mind. Was he a *****phile? or merely a dumb **** who betrayed his position of trust?

Johnson is a twat for doing what he's done, yet another footballer thinking they're above the law of the land and with the morals of a sewer rat, but neither of those things makes him a *****phile in reality, he'll be labelled as such by the law and the media, faux social media outrage etc etc, but it doesn't make it thus.

 

By the way to add to my comment..I think there is a difference between a legal line and moral one.

I legally might be allowed to have a relationship with a 17 year old but the idea would make me feel uncomfortable. Too many of my friends daughters are now that age but I can't see past the fact that I watched them toddling about in diapers once.

 

FFS

#itsfuckingnappies

 

We don't know what she looked like, but you're right she'd have to look like a kid. Maybe she did maybe she didn't, but he would have found out her age surely?

It's much deeper than that Tobes for teachers. I know the example you gave, but in the vast majority of cases, teachers who are *****s have actually been ppl who have entered the profession bcos of their deviancy. It's opportunism at its finest but thankfully is being prevented much better now.

It's a very emotive subject but having seen it (albeit from the confines of my own profession AND from actual safeguarding cases I've dealt with involving child sex offenders) all I can say is that it's usually as a result of childhood sexual experiences. There's a trigger that happens at a very young age based on some sexual experience during adolescence with perhaps a young girl or boy. That never goes away. Then there's a whole host of typical traits a ***** will go through as they grow up - from initial denial, to self-policing, to eventual succombing to those urges, to grooming directly and indirectly through friends and family, and then justifying their conscience by making out what they're doing to be "normal". I suppose that's made me see all cases in the same way and I can't see it the way you do. The fact AJ fancies a girl that young makes me think he has gone through all the things I've mentioned.

The only exception is what others have said where a 17 year old has sex with a 15 year old. But then where do we draw the line? A 16 yr old having sex with a 13 yr old? I say that, because we just don't know when or what that trigger is, and what impact those encounters will have on a person's future sexual preferences.

 

If can understand why you might see that pathway as a generic 'trait' given you've seen those with it at close quarters, but equally I think it's wrong to assume that every case of this sort of nature i.e. a girl very close to the legal age of consent, falls into that category.

The teenagers thing, they're all at it, you should know better than most. If all U16's were hauled in for having sex 2/3rds of the next generation would be on the register and by your reckoning potential *****s in later life.