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Off Topic 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by rainermariarilke, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. mallafets

    mallafets Active Member

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    I think on both sides of the pond that people when polled are not giving their true voting intentions more than ever these days. Of coarse I may be wrong as I can't be bothered to go do the research over the years but polls seems to be more wrong than ever the last few years, maybe the internet and instant 24hr news has done this?
    I thought Clinton was a cert for the Dem nom but I am not so sure now, the US people seem to me to want a new face/s in Sanders and Trump.
     
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  2. rudebwoy

    rudebwoy Well-Known Member

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    most of the candidates are turds on sticks with different types of glitter to distinguish them ...its a truly awful system, one that the uk is semingly adopting with almost unnoticed ease..........the only candidate there that is 'different' from all the turds is sanders , and he has no money so will inevitably fade leaving that clinton creature to face off one of the other turds.......
     
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  3. bayernkenny

    bayernkenny Well-Known Member

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    Never heard a bunch of Presidential 'hopefuls' described so accurately. My left wing leanings attract me to Mr Sanders however 'big money' will desert him or moderate his 'socialist' views.
    It is possible but unlikely that the winner could grow into the position however Clinton and Reagan (?) must wonder what the f..k is going on.
     
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    Bet Clinton is feeling the 'Bern'!
     
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    bayernkenny Well-Known Member

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    Heard John Kasich's speech after finishing second in New Hampshire; completely different output from other leading Republicans. Commentators on BBC Radio Fivelive stated it was more like Reagan than Trump/Cruz/Rubio et al. The commentators (all Republican leaning) stated Kasich's difficulty would be that a great majority of Republican voters seemed to have moved so far to the right.
     
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  7. Cyclonic

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    Sadly, the far right seems to be a popular place to be at the moment.
     
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  8. bayernkenny

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    Also heard Donald Trump's 'victory' speech. Interrupted/prompted by chants of 'USA,USA,USA' made me wonder if I was back in fairly close country in the 1930's. Before his 'thanks' to his fellow Republican candidates he remarked that he supposed he has to do this; gracious or what?. He also stated, if victorious, he would rebuild the US military; cannot recall correctly but does not spend more on it's military than the next God knows how many states most of who are US 'allies'.

    Just checked; the USA spends more on defense than the next 26 countries in total, 25 of which are allies!!!!!!

    I know 'ABE' in sporting terms is childish however I wish US citizens would begin wearing t-shirts bearing the emblem 'ABT' or 'ABD'!
     
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  9. rudebwoy

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    He is having his time in the sun - hasn't really got a hope thankfully - Bernie on the other hand might do a Corbym...... here's hoping
     
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    Unfortunately, don't be too sure. Listened to interviews with, what seemed to be, fairly well balanced and thoughtful Republican supporters/potential voters in New Hampshire who intended voting for Trump. A common comment was "I agree with most of his proposals".
     
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  11. Cyclonic

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    Jeez, the big loser in New Hampshire was Hillary. What a flogging. New Hampshire was a place where the Clinton name has shone bright in the past, but not this time. It was Bills "come back" outcome in 1992 and Hillary handed Obama his head here in 08. Bernie's "revolution" seems to catching on among young folk. You can have about 1-1 for the lady, 9-2 Donald and 7-1 the Bern.
     
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  12. OddDog

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    I must say the presence of Trump and Clinton is making these primaries absolutely fascinating. Without the big names I doubt we would know they were happening.

    Provocative question: Is the rise of Donald Trump the payback for too many years of politically correct, pseudo-socialist political leanings? Seems like ages since someone dared call a spade a spade and tell it how it is.
     
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  13. bayernkenny

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    NO.
     
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    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    It is still too early to call the winners in the two big Party elections after just two caucuses.

    The pollsters gave Bernie Sanders a big lead over Hillary Clinton and his neighbours in New Hampshire turned out to win the vote for the Vermont Senator. Whether Sanders’ hard-left (by American political standards) rhetoric will appeal across the country remains to be seen. The student generation clearly prefer him to the former First Lady but will that he enough to get him the nomination?

    The Donald got just over a third of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, but will he be able to continue to draw as much support in the Southern, more conservative, states? The chief problem for Republicans is that his opponents are too numerous and their fracturing of the rest of the vote gives the impression that there is no credible opponent to the New York motor mouth.

    Trump would call a spade a spade – and he would probably suggest that some of them should be deported to the land of their fathers...
     
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  15. Bluesky9

    Bluesky9 Philosopher

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    Please not Trump is all I can say.

    This is a big job and they have had some real fools apply and some even win but it would be hard to find one that was as dangerous as Trump. It would be like us electing Peter Stringfellow.
     
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    Trump's 35% in New Hampshire might look pretty weak at first glance, it is a really solid vote for him though. As the primaries roll on, the GOP field will fall away, allowing the power people to consolidate. The Dem's are a race in two, and in the end Trump will probably find himself in the same place among the Reps when the whips are cracking. It's just a matter of who'll be up against him when the time comes to make their final vote.
     
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    bayernkenny Well-Known Member

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    Thank f..k I am European!

    Five words for today!
     
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    Thank you BK. Any more 5-Words on this subject? Feel free..................
     
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  20. Cyclonic

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    **** the lot of them. :)
     
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