Match Day Thread Southampton v West Ham United Saturday 6th February 2016 KO 17:30

As far as I can see, no one is disputing any of that? What I'm saying is instead of saying "X should of gone down" we should be saying "Y should realise it's a foul anyway and have the bottle to make that decision, rather than encourage simulation".

As it stands You/refs/the PL/Coaches are all encouraging simulation rather than trying to stamp it out. If refs made decisions when players are still on their feet then it would stop 50% of all simulation immediately.

 

Completely agree with you.

But "Should have".

 

Ohhhh you pedantic little bastard

 

No full stop?

 

Emojis (sp?) can be used as punctuation on a forum. Everyone knows this

 

>searches for any other errors. fails. realises without grammar he is nothing. dies. in lower case. the irony<

 

Full time Premier League referees earn between £70 and £85,000*. (That's presumably before after-dinner speaking fees)

For that much, they should be doing a professional job and, frankly, should be able to tell the difference between a dangerous challenge that just risks serious injury rather than knocking a player to the floor and a collision of soft tissues that mysteriously results in the near-death of the tackled player. Yes, it's different for £20 a game park refs but these guys are meant to be full-time. They should be practising and training all the time to be as good at their jobs as they can be. It may be happening but I do wonder at times.

There should be no need for acting or you're in a vicious circle where the more you act, the more chance of gaining an advantage. I would argue that we've been round that circle a few times. I remember when we used to laugh at Johnny Foreigner's antics when tackled but it's everywhere now and it's encouraged by people saying "he had every right to go down."

I don't criticise refs for specific decisions but I do dislike it when they are inconsistent.

Vin

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I tend not to criticise referees and their assistants because the task is too hard for them to do consistently. We judge their performances by what the finest can consistently do, and it just isn't possible for them to get all the crucial decisions right, let alone all the slightly less than crucial. Time was, when this wasn't quite so important, because the referee was respected and the performances were considered good enough under the circumstances. But the stakes are now seen to be too high. There's too much money involved. Referees need more help from technology, or their reputations will continue a downward slide.

 

On this basis they should also have ' corner conceded by Man Utd + Chris Smalling on pitch = penalty

 

Well, they can't. And never will be able to, even if you quadrupled their wages.

 

Refs are criticised more now mainly because they are televised. In the past, you could argue till the cows came home, but you wouldn't have endless video replays. And have you noticed that even with video replays, we are still none the wiser.

 

Following the ref panels review from Teamtalk.

West Ham penalty appeal v Southampton: A somewhat delayed reaction may have put the doubt into Mark Clattenburg’s mind, but Enner Valencia undoubtedly had his heels clipped by Maya Yoshida when chasing a ball inside the penalty area. There wasn’t total agreement, but three out of five on the panel felt a spot-kick should have been awarded. Verdict: Incorrect decision

Victor Wanyama red card v West Ham: This one really split the panel. All agreed that the tackle was not as bad as it looked, but Wanyama got nowhere near the ball, went over the top of it and could have hurt Dimitri Payet with his follow through. After much debate, a three-to-two majority decided Clattenburg was just about right to show the red card. Verdict: Correct decision

Sam Byram avoiding red card v Southampton There was much less debate regarding this decision, with everyone on the panel agreeing Byram was extremely fortune to avoid a straight red card for an over-the-ball stamp tackle on Ryan Bertrand. Verdict: Incorrect decision

 

I do think we need to let up on refs a bit as they can only give what they see and viewing a lot of replays before deciding if he was right or wrong is just wrong. If you can't tell easily from a replay then you can only say it was a tough decision and the ref called it how he saw I ...
However, I do sometimes wonder how in the name of Le God they saw it that way.

So West Ham penalty I didn't see anything in it and nor did the ref, so he made the correct decision for what he saw. Same goes for the Sam Byram incident.
Victor he saw and I just think that as he made a genuine attempt for the ball and got it wrong and was only tackling with one foot and was as in control of the tackle as much as he could be for the conditions, that's a yellow. But that's just my opinion. What I think I can say is that, having watched the Bomo game, Kevin Friend would not have shown a red.

And surely Naïve is another word for Sportsmanlike in this context. I find it interesting that Tom should use that word as a ref.
So a little bit of simulation is ok, but not too much?
Being a ref on a forum is maybe just as thankless a task as in a game

And can we have no more talk of Shane "making a meal of things"

 

"Going down" is simulation.

There was a study done at Loughborough University I think which showed the difference between a natural fall or one with a few add ons! This should be compulsory viewing.

I also thing programmes like MotD could do more (assuming the FA won't). More naming and shaming required, make them and the ref surrenders look like the sport brats they are.

 

The ref actually did this in the Chelsea/Watford game. I think he booked Costa and then also the guy who completely fabricated the fact that he was hit in the face.

 

Just for the record, Tom isn't the only qualified ref here. I am one and I'm sure there is at least one other although I forget whom.

9 times out of 10 I don't blame the ref. It is impossible now with all the cheating and intimidation that goes on. The problem really is with the FA and FIFA who for some unfathomable reason don't want to sort it out.

 

We're never going to agree on referee decisions.
Even with the ref's panel agreeing the "penalty" incident should have been a penalty, I would never give it as a penalty.
IMO, at best it was an accidental coming together.
At worst, the WHU player was trying to con the ref by initiating the contact, when his left foot was planted in Yoshida's path, in what could be termed an unnatural position (something ref's seem to consider for handball decisions, so why not for trips?).

 

Fran, they've been televised with pundit review and slow motion replays for nearly 50 years. It's only in the last 10-15 years that people have stopped saying that the referee has a tough job but on the whole does it very well/well enough, to one where there is an agreement that the standards are not good enough. That's down to the huge amounts of money involved.

 

Maybe we want to see the ball in play? You know seeing as we're paying,personally couldn't give a toss what television viewers or pundits think.