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Yay or Nay for FSG?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Sharpe*, Feb 3, 2016.

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Do you want us (if possible) to change ownership if alternate investment was available?

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  2. No

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  1. And they've made arguably the biggest change possible; the manager!

    Klopp has opted to write off this (league) season and access the players. Shouldn't we appreciate a man that wants to take his time and do the job properly for once?
     
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  2. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    so every crap decision at every club is down to the owners not the ones they put in charge to do it for them?

    yes they put ayre in charge of negotiation, but how come he gets off scott free all the time? and the other members of the board who know **** all about the game?
     
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    Credit where due we're not the first to be done by Leicester, they're a tight team with a good formation and a hard working first 11. I'm more concerned with some of the other games we've lost.

    Never happy with losing but I almost expected this one with the way they are playing combined with the way we are.

    I'm not going to get wound up at the moment as Klopp has to be given time to get his players in and cement his ethos into the team. He'll have an idea who is good enough and who is not by now.
     
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  4. A bit of sense shining through at last <applause>
     
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  5. wishiwasinliverpool

    wishiwasinliverpool Well-Known Member

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    No; but nor should we be forever grateful for the bail out to be honest. FSG did their bit and we'll always be in their debt, but they don't have the first idea of what makes a good footballer. The transfer committee should be disbanded but I see it's not going anywhere.
     
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    With a strong character in place like Klopp I think we'll see some changes in the personnel we get. I then look at Caulker and hope I'm right. <laugh>
     
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  7. There is nothing wrong with this set up if set up correctly. The problem is the members; two scouts and a manager vs three non-football men (Gordon, Ayre and Edwards). The committee should be majority football men (or gals)
     
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  8. I think Caulker was a good sensible signing. It's not permanent, it's a temporary solution to the injury problems we had during a very busy fixture period.

    Brod would have wanted us to buy Ashley Williams for £15m+
     
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  9. wishiwasinliverpool

    wishiwasinliverpool Well-Known Member

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    I'm not blaming Klopp but I am worried. We had a window in January and nothing came of it. As for having an idea of who is good enough Mignolet gets a 5 year contract and Klopp's come out in defence of him and Benteke, both of whom are average. The fact is even if we offload them in the summer we won't get back what we paid. Sturridge continues to sit on his arse injured and if he comes back this season 10/1 he'll be off again.

    As for not being the only team to get undone by Leicester, that's OK to say that had we not struggled beforehand and it's no excuse for how bloody poor we've been. The result against Norwich was a joke, even if we did fight for the win. Every single position in the team has a massive question mark over it. Henderson is a poor captain IMO, well he has been recently.

    It's a mess and we have to suffer it until May.

    We have nothing to lose in the league now, we might as well play the likes of Smith and Stewart, they do at least have a ****ing go
     
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  10. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    I agree mate.

    They haven't got a clue atm and we're exposed.
     
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    I don't have a short memory.

    They bought better quality players than FSG have.

    Only problem is they had no money!

    I would like an investor with money so we can buy quality players and actually compete as a top football club.
     
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  12. Re; Migs and Benteke...

    Fair enough, we didn't need to give Migs a new contract, I'll give you that. However, complaining about him praising them is a little silly. If he's asked about them, what would you like him to do? He can't slate them or say they're **** (in his on words) as their value will crash.

    Same goes for dropping them for the younger players. Their value will nose dive if a youngster that isn't a stand out player is getting game time before them.

    This season is a write off, yet we are still in all three cup competitions including a League Cup final. Ride the storm for now and see what Klopp and co do in the summer and next season (no, I'm not saying next year is our year)
     
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    That is it. It is so obvious that no one in control sems to have seen it.

    Just look at Leicester. They have 2 outstanding players and the rest are really hard working decent players as supporting cast. These 2 outstanding players make the difference: Mahrez and Vardy. They've hit a brillant partnership and they are pulling the whole team up with them.

    And it is not as if we did not have our own example. We had Suarez and Sturridge. They nearly pulled us to the title. Where is this player in our squad? Coutinho? Firmino? The policy of getting a group of decent average players will inevitable get us an average team playing for us. The manager however excellent he is can do so much.

    When Klopp puts out a team now, just compare the team and the opposition. Starting from the back, is our GK better than theirs? and so on, CBs, RB and LB, DMF, Strikeforce etc. More and more I see no real difference between the strength of our players and theirs. Whichever team we play, is there any confidence we will win? Is there any team in the premiership that we can be confident of beating? Villa WBA Newcastle Sunderland?

    Having said that, these players are supposed to be above average, have been bought at great expense and paid great amounts. Why can't they perform? Is it the resposbility of the manager to make sure that the team delivers? yes we should give Klopp time as he came mid season and has to deal with the current squad. But life would much more difficult if we end up out of Europe altogether. Would top players want to play for us? Is FSG prepared to pay MORE than any other club to compensate for the lack of European football when they are in competition with the likes of Spurs, Arsenal, to get the top talent?


    The bottom line is that the club must be prepared to spend VERY big on getting quality. Or otherwise we will languish in mid table. Klopp or not.
     
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  14. Personally, I think there is a massive over reaction to the lack of activity in the January window. The season as been **** and nothing was going to save it. However, we may still lift a trophy despite that.

    We all know we need to start buying quality and we need to get value for money. None of us have seen a true Klopp signing yet, he's waiting until the summer.

    We are Liverpool Football Club. We have always backed and supported the club whether that be a player, manager or even the owners. Obviously, there are boundaries hence the turn against Woy and H&G, not to mention the hundreds of scapegoats.

    Klopp as only just arrived. See that as the owners trying to change things (what else can it be ffs?) and have a bit of faith!
     
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    (posted on another thread but probably more appropriate here)


    That is it. It is so obvious that no one in control sems to have seen it.
    Just look at Leicester. They have 2 outstanding players and the rest are really hard working decent players as supporting cast. These 2 outstanding players make the difference: Mahrez and Vardy. They've hit a brillant partnership and they are pulling the whole team up with them.
    And it is not as if we did not have our own example. We had Suarez and Sturridge. They nearly pulled us to the title. Where is this player in our squad? Coutinho? Firmino? The policy of getting a group of decent average players will inevitable get us an average team playing for us. The manager however excellent he is can do so much.
    When Klopp puts out a team now, just compare the team and the opposition. Starting from the back, is our GK better than theirs? and so on, CBs, RB and LB, DMF, Strikeforce etc. More and more I see no real difference between the strength of our players and theirs. Whichever team we play, is there any confidence we will win? Is there any team in the premiership that we can be confident of beating? Villa WBA Newcastle Sunderland?
    Having said that, these players are supposed to be above average, have been bought at great expense and paid great amounts. Why can't they perform? Is it the resposbility of the manager to make sure that the team delivers? yes we should give Klopp time as he came mid season and has to deal with the current squad. But life would much more difficult if we end up out of Europe altogether. Would top players want to play for us? Is FSG prepared to pay MORE than any other club to compensate for the lack of European football when they are in competition with the likes of Spurs, Arsenal, to get the top talent?
    The bottom line is that the club must be prepared to spend VERY big on getting quality. Or otherwise we will languish in mid table. Klopp or not.
     
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  16. I may have done it for you already <whistle>
     
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  17. wishiwasinliverpool

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    He's said he's been unhappy with the performances and the results, so he's admitted that much. He doesn't need to come out and say anything much that will crash their value, anyway, another club just needs to take one look at their performances and the results to do that.

    We won't win the league cup. We scraped into the final and we might scrape to penalties in the final, but that's about it. It's laughable to think we can win the FA Cup or the Europa League.

    I'm sorry I'm being so negative but I'm going by how we're doing now and quite frankly a team of performing seals can do better. I just hope to God we can get some quality in the summer and of course like everyone else I'll be glued to the transfer news.
     
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    This ^ <yikes>
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    We WILL win the league cup.
     
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