I think responses like this were what diego wanted with his original question, rather than cini pour scorn on a sensible question
It really isn't. And I didn't say anybody could do it - hence why I've stated on multiple occasions that it's important we get a manager with some pedigree, rather than an average joe. And it's also why I've stated the expectations would shift because a new manager would need to get used to the rigours & dynamics of the Premier League. It seems to me that you're assuming that I think things would improve at Arsenal instantaneously with a new manager. I'm well aware that it would take a bit of time to bed in. What Lazarus (I think it was?) said a page or so back about the manager relinquishing some responsibilities and focusing on the on-field & squad management, rather than all aspects of the club, would perhaps go a long way in improving us.
Are you seriously saying you've forgotten the entire thread, even the parts where youve responded to the examples given? Or do you just want to start another argument? Im sure if you use your own knowledge of football you can remember times when a long serving manager has stepped down and the team has suffered a drop off in performance, at the very least initially. Just as there are examples of the opposite happening.
So you now agree that Liverpool and Utd have struggled to replace long standing successful managers ? Forest after Brian clough are another example, they've had eight managers since and never been back in the top flight. Everton after Howard Kendall. He won the League twice, FA cup and UEFA Cup winners cup. They have one trophy to their name since. Jock Stein at Celtic, Walter Smith at Rangers, the list goes on and that's just scratching the surface. If you include Europe, there's probably dozens of examples.
Your first sentence is then kind of contradicted by the rest, but I'm glad you agree that it's going to take some transitioning time. I also agree that a new manager should probably just concentrate on the coaching and team management and leave the finances to somebody else. Credit to Wenger though, he's done a good job at both. But I would like him now to just concentrate on the team. If he wants a player, he shouldn't have to worry about the cost, somebody else should do the bidding.
If you are really going to be this obtuse then how about when george graham stepped down at arsenal and we tried to play a slightly more expansive game with bergkamp and David Platt (he must be good with a name like that!) yet finished poorly, which lead to the sacking of rioch and our present state of affairs. My god you argue pointlessly just for the sake of it
Perhaps 'idiot' is harsh, but I don't see what's wrong with saying that the man who eventually takes over from Wenger and struggles with this set of players would be doing a very bad job, given the circumstances. For example, if a new manager did not get CL football for 2 years in a row with this squad, that would be complete and utter failure, regardless of whoever it is that is appointed.
I think your last is important as itll make the transition trickier as we will need to ensure the transfer and finance side are just right and ready for the increased responsibility (i don't think they are great yet personally). I agree with what you say to a certain extent but dont think its that simple i mean look at the recent past - chelsea brought in a world cup winning coach, scolari who didnt do well at all despite cast sums of money, one of the great coaches from barca's ranks, van gaal is struggling with united despite spending a quarter of a billion, sone would argue that mourinho is the best manager in the world and yet ge crashed and burned this season, while the guy he replaced at chelsea is sitting at the top of the league with relegation candidates Leicester. Wenger was hardly a pedigree choice for us when he 1st came, its tricky to get right and while, with a club in our position, it should go right, it doesnt always
I guess the point I'm making is that if a new manager is given such a good set of players, lots of resources, a brilliant stadium, training ground etc. Then you have to give Credit to Wenger for creating that in the first place. It's because of Wenger that the conditions at our club are so good.
So if you agree with me, then why have you been trying to argue the opposite ? Seems that you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.
There's no guarantee that the next Arsenal manager will be an instant hit, but the constraints and dynamics for each club vary e.g. Chelsea, United, Liverpool. Board decisions, player power, owners and financial troubles have also played their part in the lack of consistency/instability with some clubs. We don't really have these issues. I still maintain my view that whoever the next Arsenal manager is will have a lot going for them and that there wouldn't need to be a complete overhaul, unlike others. There are certainly far worse clubs in stickier dilemmas to join than us. For most individuals, it would be a dream to manage Arsenal. That's why I don't think it would be a problem to allure a top manager.
It's a good post. I disagree with some of them. Celtic for example but whatevs. But overall that doesn't mean I agree a new manager would have to ensure a period of failure,or that there is any link whatsoever between Everton not winning another uefa cup after Kendall leaving and how we'd do after Wenger leaves. Also... Who cares if there IS a period of downturn? I wouldn't... Would you? All I want is to get out of the pit of stagnation we are in now and show some semblance of ambition. If that means dropping down for a bit with a new manager, fine by me. It's not like we're winning titles regularly now that we'd then have to deal without. Go without top 4 for a bit. Fine by me. Go without CL for a bit, fine by me. Lose players that only way to play for Wenger, fine by me, better off without. The only thing that would bore me is more stagnation. But even then, honestly if a manager can't at the very least qualify for the CL with our current base squad and the resources he'd also have available to him then, yes, he would have to be a grade A dumbo.
I think Cini just likes to take a contradictory stance to whatever is being said. I wonder if he's like this at home with his family ? Mrs Cini : 'Cini would you like a cup of tea dear ?' Cini : 'Why would I want a cup of tea ?' Mrs Cini : 'Because it tastes nice and makes you feel good?' Cini' : Where is the evidence that it tastes nice and makes you feel good ?' Mrs Cini : 'Lots of people have said they like tea for these reasons' Cini : 'Oh so now that some people have said they like tea, you're saying that it's obvious evidence that tea is good for you?' Mrs Cini : 'No dear, I'm just saying that lots of people like tea, so wondered if you fancied a cup' Cini : 'Oh so I suppose now that just because somebody somewhere has eaten Kanagroo testicles, it's evidence that everybody likes Kangaroo balls?' Mrs Cini : 'No, dear, but plenty of people around the world drink tea and enjoy it, Kangaroo balls, probably not so much' Cini : 'No you said that it was obvious evidence that Kangaroo nuts are enjoyed by everybody around the world' Mrs Cini throws the cup of tea over Cini.
