I think we're all aware that Wenger is coming to the end of his tenure at Arsenal, and that his successor will need to be planned for. It's not fear of change that the Wenger supporters have an issue with, it's the sack Wenger now mentality that rankles. I know we all have different opinions, but personally I think those who think sacking him will somehow suddenly improve our situation are living in cloud cuckoo land. We're 3 points off the top, in the 5th round of the FA cup, in the KO stages of the Champions league, we have a great stadium, secure financial footing, we've bought Ozil, Sanchez and Cech in the last 3 seasons. The 'grass is greener' mentality just doesn't wash with me.
I've not an opinion either way (don't agree he should be sacked though) but to argue against a change by using the argument that a longstanding manager's replacement is going to cause potential problems (even if true) seems purely academic at this stage. It's going to happen.
I'm not arguing against change though, that is coming regardless. I'm arguing against sacking him and I'm saying that I think the idea that our situation will be improved by sacking him, is pie in the sky wishful thinking.
The reason for Liverpool's success in the 70's and 80's wa the fabled boot room and it is something other clubs could learn from
The problem with 2 or 3 on this board is a feeling of "entitlement", yes you are a big club with a big stadium and lots of money, the problem that some can't or refuse to see is you are competing with 3/4 clubs domestically and many more in Europe who are in the same position and all fighting to win the same prizes.
This is weird? Are you now arguing that replacing managers is concrete evidence that clubs will definitely fail? (Despite what anyone else has said) or are you making another argument? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Not sure I've seen anyone else definitely suggest anything will happen, certainly not failure.
I have to say it's annoying that all our old legends are all mainly poor pundits instead of managers or coaches, except Bould and bergkamp, while quite a few of the ex-man u players have gone into management and done quite well. There seems to be the opposite of a boot room culture at Arsenal where instead lots of ex-players (Merson, Campbell, Wright occassionally, for example) seem to criticise Arsenal.
But nobody was arguing the point that changing a manager would mean that a club will definitely fail. Diego just said it was a possibility
This is a circular argument. You have no proof that it will get better or that it will get worse. However, my own opinion is that, with the right appointment, we could enhance the enormous potential that this team has. You may disagree, which you are entitled to do, but the premise of your argument is that we "may" do worse without Wenger. It's flawed logic and has no basis in reality. And just to address one of your (and some others) previous posts; No-one has claimed that he should get sacked straight away. It's a complete straw man, theoretical argument that people are using to reinforce a point that isn't relevant.
It has some historical precedence, can you name a team that has had a long term successful manager that has improved once he has left?
No. The factors are multifarious. To blame the decline of a club/team solely on a long-term manager leaving is a ludicrous argument.
Yeah, because of poor decisions from a club's hierarchy or mismanagement of resources. If you honestly think that the main factor in a club's decline is purely a change of manager, I really am lost for words.
So you think your club is invulnerable to poor decisions or mismanagement? Again, name me a club that has been successful over a long period with one manager that hasn't declined once that manger has left. Right or wrong, long term managers define the ethos of a club and in a way even become the club. That is very hard to replace or replicate.
First of all, I never once claimed that my club is invulnerable to poor decisions or mismanagement. I've seen enough of it over the last decade, actually. But that's not what my argument was; it was in relation to long-term managers departing from a club being the main factor for a decline - an argument that I don't completely agree with. Yet another straw man. Second of all, this is assuming that I believe Wenger has been successful over his entire 20-year span as Arsenal manager. I don't. As for naming you a club that has been successful over a long period with one manager, off the top of my head, I can't think of many. But how many managers have there been at one top club for such a lengthy period of time? You've only just got rid of SAF and only time will tell to see how you do over the long-haul. It's early days. You may not see the continuous dominance again after having the best manager in the world at your club, because that was success on an unparalleled scale and it is rare to be top of the rest for so long, but you can still be a successful, competitive side. I suspect you'll be back up there eventually because the wealth of resources you have mean that you're too rich a side not to, but managers prolonging their stay at top clubs for a long period of time is not common. So there won't be many examples. Finally, long-term managers defining the way the ethos of a club is run does not necessarily mean that is the only way or that it is the right for the club to be run. Who says it needs to be replicated? You're making a lot of assumptions.
Wenger has been successful over his entire time, he has won you leagues, cups and kept you in the CL at a good level the whole time. SAF left 3 years ago, are you willing to go that long without CL or competing for the Premier League? Long term managers do embed their ethos in the club, it is obviously not the only way but success is hard to follow if you change things. There are many examples of successful managers who have changed clubs/leagues and failed, what makes you think the next man (a change) will be for the better?
In your opinion, he has been successful over the full 20 years as manager. In my opinion, he has not. The predicament your club is in is partly due to the state of the squad SAF left, the wholesale changes to backroom staff without any time for transitioning, bad decisions from the board and, arguably, a lack of faith in the manager (Moyes). But this proves my point - it wasn't solely down to SAF stepping down for your regression, although whoever took over was never going to enjoy the same amount of success anyway. In any case, I accept that things may not go swimmingly straight away when a new manager takes over because they will need time, but as I have said previously, we have a very good set of players, we're one of the richest clubs in the world, we have higher revenue than Chelsea, more cash reserves than all the other Premier League clubs combined, based in London and a huge worldwide fan base. There is a very good base here and it would take a complete donut to mess it up if they underperform for more than 2/3 years. "There are many examples of successful managers who have changed clubs and failed" - there have also been many examples of successful managers changing clubs and continuing their success elsewhere. What makes me think it will be for the better? Well, why would it be for the worst? I've already explained why Wenger's successor will have a huge advantage when he takes over. You don't need me to explain it again.
