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Discussion in 'Watford' started by yorkshirehornet, Jan 1, 2016.

  1. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Why should the ''team'' have to be tuned into one players style ? The problem is that Jurado is used to the short passing, non physical, tick tack style which has characterized Spanish football for the last few years - very pretty but with no end product.
     
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    Ibarbo looks like he has completed his transfer back to Columbia on loan.
    He didn't get much of a chance with us I feel, also not sure he suited the style we are playing. We have to remember Flores planned to play 4-2-3-1 and he may have fitted in better to that formation.
     
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  3. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    No end product eh? Spain win 2 Euro, 1 World Cup, Real Madrid, Barcelona win Champions League, Seville a couple of Europa Cups - we should have such a "no end product".

    As for tuning the team into one player's style, many fans have been wondering if QSF has a plan B now that (seemingly) Plan A of get the ball to Deeney and Ighalo has been "rumbled". Well a team able to adapt their style during a game from direct to tick-tack would be very difficult to cope with. GT was a great believer in being able to change tactics and style dynamically during a game and not having to wait until half time instructions to do it - one of the reasons he signed Pat Rice to replace (an arguably better full back in) Mick Henderson.
     
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  4. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I think you may have misunderstood Vic. Our similarity to the Spanish national team, or to Barcelona, lies in the fact that the team which scores first wins (when have you ever seen a Spanish national team win from behind ?) - the other similarity is that there is no plan B (either for us or for them) - Barcelona often don't need a plan B but we frequently do. The ability to adapt their style in the middle of a match is not a particularly 'Spanish' trait and I don't think Flores knows what to do if plan A fails.
     
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  5. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure Flores knows perfectly well what to he would like us to do if Plan A fails - he is a highly intelligent man after all - but there are two considerations here.

    * Plan A has so far worked far better than anyone could have predicted - hence 29 points from the first 18 games. Arguably it was working for the 2 games against Spurs and City from which we should have got more reward. It has only not worked in the last two games, seemingly not because the plan is flawed but because the players, having given so much in the first half of the season, are understandably tired both physically and mentally. Folks seem to underestimate the enormous challenge of playing well consistently in the toughest (if not the best) league - and for most of our players it is the first time they have had to do this.

    *The squad is not yet up to the standard where we can put Plan B (which presumably implies more patience, passing, penetrating through balls, wing play etc. - nobody has yet defined what it should be) into action. Flores does not seem to trust the players to be able to change the style. It may be a little different now that Amrabat is here - but on his own admission, he needs more "big" players -i.e. those who have the attributes of the existing squad but with more ability. It is one thing to play with style and flair in the Championship as we did last season - it is quite another to do that in the Premiership, week in and week out.

    Incidentally I know very well that "ability to adapt their style in the middle of a match is not a particularly 'Spanish' trait" - hence my remark about GT wanting to do it - 35 years ago! But you need to have the players to do it and do it well - I'm not convinced that we have yet. The exciting thing is that I'm also convinced that we will have - and very soon.
     
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    I agree with all of that Vic but have one concern - after Southampton Deeney said there would be more intensive training and some people would get a kick. Is there a danger that it is perhaps too intense and players might be getting hacked off with each other? Certainly the body language against Swansea was not great. Maybe they need to be told they're doing ok and should relax a bit.

    Then again, I do believe they all know a bit more about it than me!
     
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  7. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    We are getting a little off thread here but...

    Certainly I think that all (fans and probably players) were getting a little carried away after the Liverpool game and we found ourselves in 7th place. There was much talk about going for Europe (and a few hotheads were convinced we were in with a shout of the Champions League spots! - not on this board I hasten to add). All this was for a team expected by many to struggle to stay in the division. Maybe the bubble was burst - especially in the City game where a couple of defensive mistakes against world class players cost us - and, being only human, the players feel that the rest of the season will be an anti-climax. You are absolutely right, they do need to be told, not least by the fans, that they are doing more than OK, relax more and enjoy the ride.
     
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    Exactly Vic
     
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    I think we saw a Plan B today, dropped Deeney deeper, played Jurado in the middle with more fluidity. QSF knows what he his doing!
     
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    Definitely a new formation: 4-3-2-1. Deeney along side Jurado, just behind Ighalo. More freedom for Jurdado (with some protection) and allowing Deeney to focus more on attacking than defending (he was way too deep against Swansea).
     
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    We had Capoue on the right , left and the center But it was his inch perfect pass that for our 1st goal , jurado and Belrami played the best i have seen BUT i would not play ether of them . i want to have Capoue in the centre pulling the strings
     
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  12. vic-rijrode

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  14. vic-rijrode

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    Whilst some on here and many on other boards may regards this as our most prestigious and unexpected signing (in the sense of he's a Spanish international etc. etc.), I still remember the signing of Steve Sims for £200,000 when we were in the old Div. 3. The headline in Wobby was simply "Wow".

    They could perhaps repeat this!
     
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    Finally Suarez is ours.... top 6 and Wembley anyone?
     
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  16. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    I'll take top 6, but you can keep Wembley - horrible souless corporate bowl.
     
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    Want that silver pot to drink from....
     
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    Its not the same we are in the EPl and our income will be in the top 30 of EUROPE so can pay high wages . Simo was an england "b" player and could not get back in the Leicester side, so for him to come to us was a big drop ,And he was total class we just took the risk on how many games he could play a season
     
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    a good window after all that! Next season already sounds exciting!
     
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