Prophet how about growing up?? No one honestly gives a **** if we entered a CVA (not administration, but i am sure you know the difference and is just calling it that to get Jager to bite) 10 years ago anymore and dragging it up everytime you have an argument with Jager is just boring people now. Yes you can say its immoral but thankfully the rest of the country isn't as backwards in their thinking as you as if everyone thought it was THAT immoral i'm sure there would be enough political pressure for them to be made illegal but alas 25 years after the Insolvency Act 1986 was enacted to introduce them to our legal system they are still here and they are likely to be here for the next 25 years to. Also seeing as you have an obvious passion for bringing up what's immoral I thought i would bring a little balance to proceedings by demonstrating 2 ways in which your club have acted immorally in more recent times. 1) Your board selling season tickets early on the promise that players would be brought in to strengthen your as to date futile attempts at promotion and then inadvertently forgetting that you needed that money to pay off the massive debts you had accrued. 2) Continually delaying payment after payment to creditors when you can afford to pay a fair whack for Bellamy's wages. If the courts weren't so lenient in staving off the winding up orders with Cardiff you too would have more than likely ended up needing a CVA, at which point i'm guessing you wouldn't be crying like a baby about them being 'immoral'. Just thank your lucky stars you were not in a lower league as they have a track record down there of not being so kind!
I think the banter's brilliant. I work with a couple of Cardiff fans so we all have a good laugh winding each other up but when it goes from winding each other up about who has/had the fattest player Trundle or Parkin and funny warm up songs to discussing the financial history of the clubs between two people who are clearly not going to yield to each other and people demanding proof for this and that etc etc is getting boring. Almost makes you want the WUMs to invade...even the piss poor ones!!
Are you really? I have several archived files in my office, which contain correspondence between my company and Swansea City FC, which I could dig out to prove my point. Unless you were involved in the legal and financial machinations that were going on at that time, you don't have a clue about what really went on, just accept the fact that your club cheated people, lied to people, and if it wasn't for the anamoly's in thr British legal system ........well they wouldn't be in existence today. Swansea City was being run by a bunch of crooks who ripped people off, thats a fact, the present regime, who are held up as "WHITER THAN WHITE" have done nothing to put that right. You can give my £600 to the Bellamy Foundation or Ty Hafan I don't care TBH as long as it goes to a good cause, admit you are/were a bunch of lying rip off merchants, pay what you owe, and then you can come on here lambasting Cardiff about financial matters.........................it's quite simple pay up or shut up................your club lied and cheated, and whatever you say will not change that.
Be very careful boys or you may find........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq1a-IBaBlU your name will be on ze list also.
1) Your board selling season tickets early on the promise that players would be brought in to strengthen your as to date futile attempts at promotion and then inadvertently forgetting that you needed that money to pay off the massive debts you had accrued. 2) Continually delaying payment after payment to creditors when you can afford to pay a fair whack for Bellamy's wages. If the courts weren't so lenient in staving off the winding up orders with Cardiff you too would have more than likely ended up needing a CVA, at which point i'm guessing you wouldn't be crying like a baby about them being 'immoral'. Just thank your lucky stars you were not in a lower league as they have a track record down there of not being so kind! Interesting and VERY valid points, PAY OFF are the operative words here I think, as opposed to RIP OFF in swansea 2/ Continually delaying payment after payment, we did delay no argument, but at least we made the payments, Now you have a a choice as a business, deal with CCFC abd get paid IN FULL but late, or deal with scfc and wait 18 months to get paid 10p in the £ Cardiff avoided a CVA. and are servicing their debts, swansea didn't avoid a CVA and ripped people off, it's not rocket science.
Yes the banter killer is here, the prophet of doom who bores the pants of everyone including his own supporters with the constant drivel, he posts here with his deluded pov
You have lost the argument, not even you can deny the fact that swansea city ripped people off, no matter how far you stick your head up your own arse. You dismiss facts as drivel because they don't fit into your tidy little world. I have a great idea, if you don't like the truth, don't start the argument, or better still crawl back under your stone and post your garbage on the swansea board where people might just be deluded or one eyed enough to believe it, because on the Cardiff board, everyone knows that swansea lied, cheated and ripped people off, it's just a shame that you don't have the balls to admit it. The really sad thing about this is you genuinely seem to believe this garbage you are spouting, you are even lying to yourself how sad is that
On the Cardiff board, you THINK Swansea lied, cheated and ripped people off. Last time I checked, administration was a perfectly legal way of getting out of a particularly sticky financial situation. If you don't like the letter of the law, take it up with a lawyer...it's not our fault that system exists. If some random millionaires hadn't saved you guys you wouldn't be so cock sure right now! Anyway, it's all irrelevant and in the past now. All that matters is that we're Premier League.
That might mean everything to you, but how does it give a lot of jax supporters carte blanche to boast about what a well run, prudent club swansea are compared to their more profligate neighbours. Swansea lied to people, and used an immoral legal advice to cheat them out of money they were owed, just have the balls to admit it, premier league, if it wasn't for the fact that you used an immoral legal loophole to dodge your debts, then you wouldn't be in the league at all
Prophet you brought this bit down from your post 82, everyone was happy having a bit of banter until your thread killing comments there, you have said all that crap multiple times before, I disagree you are boring the pants off people, nobody bloody cares now what happened a decade ago and 3 decades ago, it's the past nothing we can do about it now, that is your problem always looking back not forward!
bloo bottlers proffit. Swansea City was being run by a bunch of crooks !!! didnt see us mentioned on a little program the other day about clubs being run by a bunch of crooks ! your asian was pictured around the king pin crook . so on a scale of BRYAN ROBSON to ALEX FURGASON how corrupt is your club ????
...oh just shut up. We won promotion despite one of the smallest budgets in the league. Like it or hate it, at present we ARE a well run prudent club. What a prior administration universally lambasted did has little to no bearing on the current regime, especially considering the present regime came in primarily as fans with no financial motivation at all. You see we cheated people, we say we did what we had to do to save the club after it had fallen into bad hands. If you claim you wouldn't have been pleased to see your club saved in similar circumstances, then fair enough, but the club had to do what they could to stop it going out of existence. People banging on about this 10 years later, to me, makes me think that you're running out of things to criticise the Swans on. First it was "we always finish higher than you", then "we're the capital!", then "god your attendances are pants" and now once again we're back to the admin thing. Unfortunately you'll have to shout a bit louder to catch the bigger fish, it's hard to hear from up here in the Premiership!
Yes you paid off your debt (bar the stuff still owed) but as a supposed fan of our current lower league cousins dont you think its a bit rich saying SCFC rip people off when your own board (that still to this day has a lot of the same members on it to my knowledge) do the same to you via the 'tickets for a transfer pot scenario'. Just to put it into perspective too what we did, you, in the minority, see it as immoral where as what your board did is boardline if not down right illegal. Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 sets out the framework for the offence of fraud and there are four necessary elements that must be proved in order to result in a conviction. These are a) a representation must be made, - "if you buy tickets we will have a war chest to strengthen the squad" b) the representation must be known to be false, - CCFC would have known that any revenue increase would be needed to pay off debts c) the representation must be dishonestly made, - It is of my opinion that CCFC never intended to make tranfers with the increased revenue d) the person making the representation must intend to gain something, or intend that the person receiving it loses something - intended to gain ££ to also pay off some of the debt that the club owed the individuals making the announcement, therefore gaining from the representation. I know you are gonna come back and argue that its not the same people that are there now etc etc but its the same with us. They got left in a situation where they had to enter a CVA or go bust due to someone else's cock ups. 1) If its not rocket science then how don't you get it!!! You dont avoid a CVA as you are the one that bloody instigates it!!! 2) If it was the case of clubs rather dealing with you as you pay than us who supposedly rips people of then how come we are readily paying for players over the last 3/4 season without any problems. Yet after the Motherwell incident no one wanted to touch you lot with a barge pole. Granted this is no longer the case but my point stand. 3) By servicing the debt you owe do you mean by re-appointing old board member, who were involved in ripping off your own fans in the first place, by exchanging some of the debts for shares. 4) Finally, forgive me if I am wrong on this but would I be right in saying you called some of our board crooks previously? (seem to remember that somewhere) If so i would look a lot closer to home if i was you given that 1 of your more influential board members (i dont know the ins and outs of your board but given his share and profession im going to infer that he would be influential) recently got arrested by the Serious Fraud Office for making multiple dodgy deals for land across wales previously involved in mining! Neither of us have a clean financial history but that was then. Now you have a multi-millionare owner to bankroll you and we have a great board who are universally recognised as doing a great job and have the added bonus of a MINIMUM of £90,000,000 to play with in the coming years which suggests that neither of our clubs are likely to experience financial problems or face getting wound up. So consistently bringing up this that and the other about the past is just a fruitless argument now just primarily used now so that you and Jager can go massively off thread and have a bit of handbags between you!
and as for using legal loophole you dont think you paid lawyers through the nose to stave off your 5 or 6 winding up orders, all based on the fact you were failing to pay your debts?? If it wasnt for that you wouldn't be a bloody club let alone in the league! Stones and glass houses profit!!
In regards to dan's post above, wish salad came across here, I seem to remember him saying about the ticket fiasco and the money would not be used to buy players, and was widely condemned on 606 by Cardiff fans , turns out he was right !
