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Halfway through the season - How is it going?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by afcftw, Dec 29, 2015.

  1. PeterRICK

    PeterRICK Well-Known Member

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    Let's be realistic, out of the current top 4 it's Citeh who should go on to win considering their squad. Spurs have cracking form right now but I think are one or two injuries away from faltering and I can't see Leicester maintaining their form even though they continue to make me look stupid!

    I honestly think we have the best chance of giving City a run for their money, especially considering who we've got returning to fitness. We have the two best teams on paper (theirs better) but both have question marks over their mental strength. With City you get the impression most couldn't give a sh*t beyond Kompany, Hart and maybe a couple of others. With us, we just come across as a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

    Personally I'm putting all my monies on the return of Alexis and Coquelin giving us the steel we need to toughen up. Course, loving him as I do I'd sacrifice almost any other player to get Santi back in the team as I think he's the glue that holds the whole team together. As some have pointed out we've staggered (badly) through a tough patch and now have, on paper at least, a few easier games. By god we need to win these and get some momentum back.
     
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  2. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    It will be interesting to see how Spurs cope defensively now Vertonghen is injured
     
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    City will not be overjoyed at losing DeBruyne either.....
     
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  4. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    This is true, especially given some of the reasons given about money, finances and the form of other teams that are given as reasons why Arsenal should absolutely win it. I really hope we win the league this season, but this whole argument about it being an abject failure if we don't, is just nonsense in my opinion. We'll do the best we can and give it our best shot. For me it's time to get behind the team and give them our full support.
     
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  5. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Looks like he might be out for a while, it didn't look good last night.
     
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    Fair play Citeh have got plenty of attacking options,I think they are more worried about the Belgian centre half whose name I can't remember being injured
     
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  7. NLDISRED

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    I read that silva was struggling for fitness to I hope he ends up burnt out to
     
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  8. goonercymraeg

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    The important one for Citeh is Aguero
     
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  9. PeterRICK

    PeterRICK Well-Known Member

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    Aguero, Kompany and Hart imo. If all could have non serious injuries that keep them out until the end of the season, that would be great. Nothing horrific, just their legs falling off or something.
     
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  10. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Just a quick thought for all those who want to change manager.
    A new manager may just spend the money on a new striker and DM, he may strengthen the squad in many positions as you all want.
    Would you be happy if he then changed the way you play and all the new players made no difference at all, in fact a change of style may unsettle the players you have and send you backwards which would be hard to come back from.
    I have seen it with Busby and Fergie, Scousers have seen it with Shankly/Paisley. It happens after a long period of stability and could well happen with you.
    How long would you give the new man if you dropped out of the top 4 for a couple of years?
     
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  11. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    This is one of your worst posts I've ever read and you're normally quite rational.

    If you got a new manager, and he played 1-8-1 formation with De Gea as holding midfielder and Fellaini in goal, ask yourself this... Would you be happy? Careful what you wish for.
     
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    Good way to follow up a 'worst post' claim ..... <laugh>
     
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  13. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Going to explain why my post is poor? Because it didn't have the PISKIE laughing face or cym thumbs up seal of idiocy?
     
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  14. Smirnoffpriest

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    Because it's taken someone's quite rational question and aggressively attacked it while making a unneccessary over the top response.
     
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    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Rational? He's just made up an fictional scenario to ask a pointless question. So I thought I would too.
     
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  16. cini65

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    Why doesn't he alternatively suggest a scenario where we might strengthen our squad, we might play better football, we might win more matches, we might win the league and CL?

    Both are completely made up scenarios. If a club never fired a manager because things MIGHT get worse then no manager would ever get fired.

    The decision on Wenger needs to be whether we're happy with what he's done and currently doing.

    For me, he doesn't even get close to meeting the expectations that should be placed on a manager in his position with the funds at his disposal and with the salary he gets paid.
     
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  17. PINKIE

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    No, it's poor because he suggested a very plausible scenario where a new manager would likely have the team playing a different way which might not yield instant results. He gave examples to back that up Shankly/Paisley and Busby/Fergie where successful managers have been replaced with those who struggle. It's a common theme being witnessed at Utd and to and extent Liverpool still today.

    You accused him of the 'worst post ever' and then followed it up with a nonsense scenario of playing a 1-8-1 formation with Fellani in goal.
     
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    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    It's no more plausible or potentially possible than suggesting a new manager might win us the league and CL. If you can justify any decision by simply making up any scenario you want and saying 'that might happen' then you'd never get anywhere.

    A statement being potentially possible doesn't suddenly make it worthwhile.

    It's possible if you buy new shoes that the laces on them don't tie properly and then you'll slip on the road and break your leg. People that are thinking about buying new shoes, how would you feel if that happened to you eh? You better think very, very carefully about buying new shoes ever again.
     
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  19. PINKIE

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    But the likelihood is, given the evidence of other clubs, that there would be a period of transition at least and quite possibly a downturn in our fortunes. This isn't just plucked out of the air speculation, it's a pattern that has been demonstrated time and again when successful managers come to the end of their reign.

    You tried to compare that with the likelihood of man Utd playing a 8-1-8 system wth Fellaini in goal, hence it was a bit silly to call his comment the 'worst ever'
     
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  20. lazarus20000

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    I think it's the lack of input from others in the management team that is the problem. Wenger wields too much power, which not only encompasses the football side of things but the financial side. Sometimes you need someone else identifying issues in the squad and advise on changes. One area would be the transfer area, forcing through some outfield signings, for instance a DM in the summer transfer window gone by. The person(s) would identify possible squad weaknesses and seek to fix this issue, removing/adding players.

    We don't necessarily need to change the manager but we do need to change things on how our management is run now. We've gone through our rebuilding phase so we need to change the way we operate and the first thing is getting Wenger to focus on the football/coaching side only. I don't want him talking about the finances anymore, that side of his job is done and dusted. We now have money to spend and I want him to spend and strengthen and not dwell on the money side, others in the management side should be dealing with this now.
     
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