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Lewis being favored over Button

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  1. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Come on! I've been hearing it since the start of the season with seb being favored over webber even if he has failed to deliver at important times.

    Strange how Hamilton's car was class of the field while a certain number 2 driver in McLaren is being shafted to help boost his title hopes by threatening to leave McLaren in the future.

    At least Sebastian has to fight for his upgrades on equal terms, while yet again Ron Dennis is sticking in his nose to make sure his adopted son gets them first over poor Jenson. Two retirements in a row, none of them Jenson's fault, all because McLaren are a 1 driver team as per usual...

    Bring on the abuse because I have to keep reading all your ****e every damn ****ing day.
     
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  2. cosicave

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    This all sounds rather bitter Silver.
    Hamilton drove a superb race didn't he? Can't you acknowledge that?

    And just in case there be doubt, I'm not a 'Hamilton fan' but I can appreciate what he did today.

    Your last line does not seem in keeping with what I'd come to expect from you. I thought you were above stuff like that.
     
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  3. Basil_Brushzenberger

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    Hamilton was terrific today, as much as it annoys me to admit.

    Alright Button retired, but I am sure that he has enough people in the team committed to him to make sure he has a good enough car. Before today both McLaren drivers were level on points and level on wins (which I think is about right), and I hope that come the end of the season they will still be about the same. If Button ever gets the call the "maintain the gap" then I might start thinking that McLaren are a one driver team, but at the moment I am putting Button's two consecutive retirements down to bad luck.

    I bet Ron Dennis and his frankly frightening countenance has a role to play, but it's not as if Hamilton naturally makes friends in the garage like a true gentleman like Button. I think if Button could have finished fourth (and it was looking like he would have) it would have been comparable to Hamilton's win. In the end if Button's mechanics can provide him with a glitch free car, Hamilton will make enough mistakes for Button to get level again.
     
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  4. 2xwdcslayer

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    About time Ron stepped in and stop Whitfarce from sabotaging Mclaren's No1 driver
     
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    Ooh, SA you bitch. :D

    You forgot the bit about Red Bull restricting Vettel's car this weekend as a PR exercise. ;)

    Istanbul 2010:

    LH: If I back off is Jenson allowed to pass me?
    Team: No Lewis, no.

    *Jenson passes and is repassed*

    Team: Jenson, fuel is critical.
     
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  7. Delete Me

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    It's not bitter I'm drinking cosicave it's "pop" I'm making a pop at the comments for Red bull supposedly favoring Sebastian without challenge. And here we are, Lewis starts pretending to be surprised that he has the class car out of the field while Jenson seems to be going backwards ever since Valencia and Ron showing his ugly face...
     
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  8. Basil_Brushzenberger

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    I think it's fairly obvious that Red Bull favour Vettel, despite what happened this weekend. Brundle has said on at least two occasions that Vettel hasn't been a happy bunny all weekend. Make of that what you will. PR? Viewing figures? Who knows.

    I think uncle Ron's appearence does have a certain significance within the McLaren team. Dennis has had a lot invested (and not just cash) in that boy since around the time of his birth, so why shouldn't he move to protect his investment? I'm still not convinced though, but maybe it is because I don't want to admit it. When Vettel and Webber came together in Turkey it was obviously Vettel's fault, but the whole team got behind Vettel, and Horner even put the blame on Webber. When Hamilton and Button came together in Canada in a similar incident nobody tried to blame Button in the slightest. I suppose I just hope that Button has equal status within the team despite the spooky presence of Ron Dennis. Maybe I am being over-optimistic. Maybe Santander beats Head and Shoulders every time :(
     
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  9. Jack

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    Hamilton has always been favoured at McLaren, always will be. That'll not change,- a situation Button must have known about before he spat on the people who made him a world champion to sign for them. So he gets no sympathy from me.

    Keep your eyes on Paul Di Resta though, certain to be in a top car in the future; and unlike some, he's earning it.
     
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  10. Kyle?

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    Hamilton drove a good race, but on pace terms, the Mclaren was the best car today. Before his retirement, button was flying too. Thr red bull was the 3rd best car, for the first time in a while.
     
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  11. Kyle?

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    He's far too error prone. Whenever i watch him race, i always fear that he's about to lose a wing. Theres no denying that the speed is there, but the racecraft is currently lacking.
     
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  12. Basil_Brushzenberger

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    I didn't catch the lap times from Button and how they compared with Hamilton, but it did look like Button might have got fourth before he was retired. I think it was a shame that Button had a poor qualifying because I think the track would have suited him more than Hamilton. I somehow doubt that McLaren will be fastest in Hungary.
     
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    Whitmarsh has bent over backwards to welcome Jenson and accommodate him within McLaren, a smart move, I thought, after the debacle with Alonso and Heikki's underperformance. The idea that he's being sabotaged to favour Lewis is as ridiculous as all the Whitmarsh is shafting Lewis to promote Button conspiracies that were rampant on the BBC 606.

    Button had more bad luck today, that's all, and it happened to coincide with one of Lewis's great races.
     
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    Are you serious? Brawn never seemed commited to either of their drivers and wanted their all german mercedes team. Button stuck with that team through their lowest moments and to leave on a high is not stabbing them in the back.

    On the topic of the thread. Button has just been verry unlucky in the last two races. Although his qualy was bizzarely bad i dont think it was a lack of upgrades or anything like that because he had the pace in clear air today. I hope Jenson can bounce back because the last two races have lost him a hatfull of points and he is well adrift of 2nd now (which is what they are fighting for). He now really needs a good result in Hungary. Last time he was in this situation he produced a great drive (monza 10) and was unlucky not to win so there is still hope, even if it is far weaker than it was this time last month.
     
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  15. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    I like Button but he lets him self down in qualifying. It's all good having good race pace but if your down the grid and your team mate is lapping consistently faster than you then it's your own fault. Having a hydraulics problem on the car is big and there was nothing Mclaren could do about it so thats just bad luck for Button.

    This is an article that did not have to be made.
     
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    "the track would have suited him more than Hamilton"

    well if that the case why was he so slow?and why couldnt he get past petrov for so long?

    also are ppl forgetting all the bad luck lewis has had this season?putting the wrong tyres on his car,messing up his pitstop,sending him out too late in quali twice.
     
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    I like Button, he needs some better luck. It's as if all the issues seem to happen to him, it's like Webber at RBR, always having the mechanical issues.
     
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    His pace was good once he cleared the traffic. He was looking at 4th place if he hadn't retired.
     
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  19. Julius Caesar

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    Because petrov defended very well and it was hard but not impossible to pass here. You ignore how button went on to pass 3 more cars of course.

    Yes Lewis has had bad luck but he at least had chances to recover. Jensons have stopped him tottally. Other times when lewis has been unlucky (like monaco) he has proceded to get frustrated and drive recklessly. Overall Mclaren should be second and third in the WDC if it was a fair world, but in my mind Button has had slightly more bad luck.
     
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  20. cosicave

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    Let's get something straight here…

    Button finds it difficult to get heat into the tyres. When track temperatures are low, he finds it very difficult to generate the heat in the way that Hamilton does.
    It has nothing to do with favouritism and everything to do with the extreme differences between the McLaren drivers' natural styles. There is no other pairing on the grid which has a greater difference - although Rosberg and Schumacher are a similar example.

    That's all there is to it.
     
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