These people should be shot

I preferred it when I thought it was just random mutterings

 

If you were to shoot them would you be discriminating if you shot the lady first

You haven't thought this through

 

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Found out why ST has been quiet.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...shows-gaping-hole-7212398#yutpUcTGKxzZ63B9.97

 

Having read a good amount recently on food banks in the UK recently, I had a little wander around the benefits system. I looked at a postcode in the southeast of England to see just how much you get from the welfare state in the UK if you aren’t working at all.

I started with a couple with two children and added up their housing benefit, jobseeker’s allowance, tax credits and child benefit. The result? A tax-free income of £24,269. That’s the equivalent of an earned (and hence taxable) income of £32,000. That’s very significantly more than the number we are always given as the UK’s average wage.

Then I looked at a single mother with two kids. Her payments come out to just under £24,000, so again an earned income equivalent of just under £32,000.

Finally, I looked at a single unemployed man of working age. His benefit payments in the same area come to a tax-free total of £12,300 with £7,600 of that being housing benefit. I then looked up the accommodation available to rent at that price or less in the area. Rightmove provided 68 pages of possibilities.

Now, none of these amounts add up to fortunes. But they don’t add up to anything approaching absolute poverty either. Live frugally and stay out of debt, and things should be fine. Not exactly luxurious, but fine.

So what of the food banks, you will say? “They prove we don’t pay enough in benefits.” But they don’t really prove anything of the sort.

They prove that sometimes the state messes up benefit payments and leaves nasty delays. They prove that people aren’t good at managing money. They suggest that not everyone puts rent and food before ***s and booze (but we don’t want to get into a discussion about the deserving and the undeserving here). They confirm that supply creates its own demand.

They might prove that some landlords are unscrupulous or that some families have more financial emergencies than others. They might confirm that we have a problem with mental illness in the UK. And they certainly prove that debt is a major problem in the UK: once you are in debt at high interest rates very few incomes are ever high enough – and £24,000 really isn’t.

But are any of these things really a good argument for paying more in welfare? We’ve heard a lot about the misery of “the cuts” and the horrors of food banks recently. But wouldn’t it be nice if just sometimes commentators focused not on the occasional failures of our welfare machine, but on how astonishing it is to live in a country where the taxpayer, via the state, is prepared to pay up for what is effectively a guaranteed minimum income for every person in the country (just over £12k a head, it seems) alongside state funded education and healthcare, with very little asked in return?

Because in an age when we are all said to be individualistic and endlessly selfish, it seems to me that on the goodwill to all men front, it really is quite something.

 

^^^^has nothing to do with the original topic, so I did not read it.

 

^^^^ didn't write it either

 

I read it and it's spot on. As Mick said earlier there 8s nothing to complain about anymore so people are moaning about the most pathetic things.

All aboard the O'ffended bus.

 

^^^^ Didn't read, too tired after reading the previous one

 

Monaco's real name is Merryn

http://moneyweek.com/merryns-blog/the-astonishing-uk-welfare-state/

 

Of course I didn't write it, you mad ****s!! WHen do I ever write anymore than a few sentences on here? Just got sent it from "Money Morning" or whatever it is called. Quite interesting to be honest, if you want to know how much the taxpayer gives to lazy ****s.

 

Of course you're not complaining, you're getting £24k a year basic without all the dodgy benefit scams you lot get up to.

£24k a year in Direland must put you in the top 0.0001%

 

She is the editor in chief of Money Morning, she is pretty shaggable to be honest.

 

Also, try living on less than £10 a day when you have a bank loan to pay off. It's not fun, I tried it for a bit back in 2011.

 

i'd just shoot every **** to be fair

 

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She's all yours

 

that isn't the same pic I got on my email!