Liverpool FC are a club with some very long standing issues in the running of the club, my feeling is that unitl they are addressed the club cannot really progress. Chairman: First we know that FSG are a slightly different sort of body, John Henry likes his level of involvement but TOm Warner is the chairman, without the powers of an owner but owns a bit of the club. He is an absentee chairman first off. Second his is not the final say. Directors: J. Henry (Principal Owner) Director. T. Werner (Chairman) Director. M. Gordon. Director. I. Ayre (Chief Executive Officer) Director. M. Egan. Director. K. Dalglish. Director. CEO: Next is the CEO role, FSG tried to hire someone originally but failed to do so and made Ayre the MD/ CEO Ayre then sits on the transfer committee and deals with transfers as well as commercial duties. Ayre is not a guy with a clear vision, not skilled in setting up or running a professional football organisation. DoF: There is none Transfer committee: Jurgen Klopp Ian Ayre Mike Gordon Dave Fallows: Head of recruitment Barry Hunter: Chief scout Michael Edwards: Head on analysis Academy: Alex Inglethorpe Academy director Andrew Powlesland Head of Academy business Nick MarshallHead of Academy football operations Dave Moss: Academy cheif scout .................................... It seems to be at the top of LFC there is a power vacuum. There is no strong voice dictating publically at least. There are many voices and the buck doesn't stop with any of them until you get as far as John Henry... who still answers to all the shareholders of FSG as he owns 40% of that or so. In other words... nobody really has an iron grip SO the dance goes on. Now contrast this to Man city... they have a reasonably good set up even ignoring the vast cash City are 100 per cent owned by Sheikh Mansour. He put his main man as chairman who answers to the main man but is a highly experienced guy running lots of big companies. Chairman is Khaldoon Al Mubarak chairman of the Abu Dhabi Executive Affairs Authority, chairman of the Emirates Nuclear Energy Corporation, board member of First Gulf Bank and Ferrari) They have a CEO; Ferran Soriano (former vice president of Barcelona FC, ex-chairman at Spanair) They have a DoF: Txiki Begiristain (ex-Barcelona player and sporting director) After that Football Administration Officer: John Williams Global Technical Director of the City Football Group:Rodolfo Borrell Managing Director of the City Football Academy: Brian Marwood This has not only appointed world class people but has a clear chain of command. Owner to chairman to CEO to DoF. DOF controls technical groups, academy and first team. How does things flow at anfield? We all get together and hope to agree then people get together in a back room cos people have the hear of gordon or henry and a list is produced of what to choose from?
I've been saying this is an issue for quite a while. The committee debate muddied it further due to peoples player preferences. Fact remains our management structure is as square pegs in round holes as our playing squad. No matter how good the coaching team is stuck in between they are landed with bosses who aren't the best at what they've been appointed or held accountable for mistakes they make and a modern culture of footballers who know full well if they take the hump it is the coaching staff who will be dumped not them. It is a no win situation. Too much of what we have heard even if you remove self justifucation and excuses is a model that concentrates on buying players for potential sell on value alone. The irony is it's a false goal. If our team continues to be mediocre these players are not improved and sold for any meaningful profit. Sure, you'll get lucky with a Suarez or Sterling once in a while but that is because they actually improved the team by playing. Does anybody have a list of players bought AND sold during the FSG era and what profit was made. We could then take a look at what each player brought to actual team performance. You know, the reason us fans believe players are bought for in the first place. Whichever way you look at it I don't think the model has worked.
And I'm not claiming FSG are dome greedy coporates buying and selling players to make themselves profit. I understand the basic concept of being self sufficient. i.e. normal transfer kitty available due to money made from Pl, TV etc is say £30m a year. Any exra comes from the profit in player sales. All good idea so far. It is when players wanted or highlighted by coaching staff who have been hired for their expertise are told no due to some stat when the money is there. I mean where is the financial logic in over ruling your manager on 14m for Dempsey but giving the green light for 32m for Benteke or 25M for Lalana? We are never making more back on either. What we think of the players is irrelevant.
Very witty! new stand is however a prime example Spurs start 60k stadium Arsneal finish paying off 60k stadium easily West ham smash and grab 60k stadium LFC bottle planning and do a 54k stadium and hope to one day sell enough tickets to justify 58k if it goes well.
no they will never make cash out of this. I agree there is huge inconsistencies in the model. buy this guy for potential but play the top career value or worse way over that value 25 mil for lallana is a prime example of it.. did the power brokers sit down and say hey lets throw rodgers a bone here and buy the guy he wants then buy everyone we want on the expectation of the suarez money..... he was never worth more than 10 or 12 mil.. ever. 32 for benteke is not as bad but close. he was a 25mil player. I am convinced someone would pay that if he was sold in the morning as clubs in england would love his power play. now we've made him a 20mil player and sharks will low ball us. 20 mil ofr markovic was astounding. 10mil player. smacked of we had the cash Sad thing is add markovic and balotelli fee and wages together and you have 36mil and 150k to pay a top top player.
Our sales and buys under FSG are well publicised. http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/01/fsgs-transfer-strategy-failure/ this is as easy read as me post more of the same. this doesn't even cover the dalglish and commolli period. In short I would have to say I could count the "profit" on one hand.
Replace them all. That's the easy thing to do. Get some real Scousers who have played the game in high positions to run the club.
What we should also do is not spend on talented young players but invest in more PL players like Benteke, Milner and Lallana.
You said why sign Markovic or Balotelli when we could use all that money to spend on one player? We got Benteke didn't we? That's what you want?
why bother.... not even the same money... two different years, two different contexts. wanted sanchez, had CL, failed ended up splurging suarez cash badly..... the following year LFC over pay to release benteke who is "apparently" rodgers target. you're getting confused dear fellow.. I know its hard to keep all the moves and counter moves straight
Lol 'apparently' Ok mate, you continue being in denial. The guy is sh*t and we spunked so much money on him. But you continue your agenda that Markovic and Balotelli were the biggest wastes. Y
But in all seriousness - we do need better men at the top. Ayre is completely useless and ruined countless deals. And Gordon, a non football man, was brought in to clean Ayre's mess. Nicola Cortese would be my choice for CEO with Zorc as DOF.
But Jimmy Mito mentioned 2 PL players as examples of the fudged policy????? It's the "buy by these rules" with one player then abandon the rules for another Irrespective of their origin. It smacks of not trusting the manager and using any excuse to deny him one minute then "giving him a bone" and overpaying to do it the next. It is clearly because the top men know nothing about football and having set up the "committee" hear 4 different voiced about the merits of each player...sometimes trusting the manager, sometimes an analyst sometimes the finance guy....It just doesn't make for a coordinated approach. We heard "only under 25's" which 5 years ago was fine if held to. Build and excel an academy, net in the cream of the worlds younger players to go into it or just above it and ideally some local lads...All with a clear idea of how to play a certain way. I would have taken five years of sitting 7th to achieve it and said so when FSG were spouting it. 5 years on? All pretty much abandoned or half assed. They allowed clear divisions to occur within the committee over player direction. They panicked bought at unexpected player losses etc etc.. Removing BR has not removed the structural weaknesses. There is still the possibility that Klopp will disagree with the others on players...resentment will build and we are back to square one in 3 years time. As you say. Get a bloody DOF in that has years in the game. He decides the long term direction of whole club from youth to senior team. FSG set out a clear finance policy that can make it work. The Manager and scouts discuss which players they want under that umbrella (ideally the DOF and Manager are on the same page from the start). Then bloody stick to it for 5 years regardless of initial results (we aren't going to be a relegation battle ffs) After the 5 years the accountability is on the DOF and Manager. Or if they can prove it's the funding structure limiting them (I can not see how) then FSG come out and be honest and say we are where we can be. On that last point, considering the money already spent I can not see how that is possible again. **** the committee....2 men..clear goals...clear limitations and parameters set....
It won't happen Mito... Maybe in the summer if things keep looking ****e...it's not like they can blame Klopp. It's why if he doesn't buy players in January I think it is a smart move: You lot picked this squad and even I can not make it a winning one...lets restructure...
won't happen under fsg.. they've had form for moving in thier own rather than hiring so it suggests they don't do that much over in yankland and then have he bandwidth to come over here and half ass it here too.
