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Does smoking weed make you fick?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Toby, Jan 18, 2016.

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So wat you fink?

  1. Yes of course it ****ing does

  2. Nope, smoking weed is cool

  3. **** off Gas you ****

  4. Just look at the OP and decide

  5. **** off ER you're not invited

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  1. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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    Whether or not using cannabis can lead to cognitive impairment is a hot topic of research and public interest. Given the extensive media attention granted to findings that suggest detrimental effects of cannabis on cognition, brain functionand mental health, you would be forgiven for thinking smoking a spliff was akin to repeatedly bashing yourself over the head with a giant bong. However, since much of the work to date is cross-sectional (that is, measurements are taken only at one time in a person’s life), we cannot know whether cannabis users would have performed any differently before they started using cannabis. In short, we’re faced with a classic “chicken or egg” problem.

    Cannabis use does not occur in a vacuum. And teenagers who start using cannabis from a young age will almost certainly differ from those who will never try, it or who delay until they are older. The evidence suggests that those who start using cannabis from a young age often have less stable backgrounds and more behavioural problems than their non-using peers. Teenage cannabis use also typically goes hand in hand with other drug use and risky lifestyle choices in general. The poorer cognitive performance of cannabis users may therefore result from other factors associated with cannabis use, rather than cannabis use itself. However it is of course very difficult to control for all these other factors.

    To attempt to tackle these issues, along with other researchers from University College London and University of Bristol (including Suzi Gage who hosts this blog), I have been involved in a new study, with potentially surprising findings. Using data on 2235 teenagers collected as part of the “Children of the 90’s”cohort from South West England, we looked at the relationship between how many times someone reported having used cannabis by the age of 15, and their performance on an IQ test completed at the same age. Importantly the teenagers had also taken an IQ test when they were 8 years old (before any of them had used cannabis), so we could tackle the “chicken or egg” problem.

    At first look our results suggested that those teenagers who had used cannabis performed worse on their teenage IQ tests, after accounting for their ‘baseline’ IQ at 8 years old. Even those who had only used cannabis a handful of times scored roughly 2 IQ points lower than those who had never tried cannabis. However, we also noted that the teenagers who had used cannabis were much more likely to have used cigarettes, alcohol and other illicit drugs- and all these factors also predicted lower teenage IQ scores. Most strikingly we saw that cannabis users were also much more likely to be tobacco cigarette smokers- 84% of those in our heaviest cannabis use group (who reported having used cannabis at least 50 times by age 15) had smoked cigarettes more than 20 times in their life, compared to just 5% of those who had never used cannabis.

    When we statistically adjusted for these differences in rates of other substance use, along with other factors including childhood behavioural problems and mental health symptoms, cannabis use no longer predicted lower IQ scores. After this adjustment even our heaviest group of cannabis users had predicted IQ scores no different to those who had never tried cannabis. We also ran a similar analysis to look at the same teenager’s school GCSE grades, which they sat at age 15/16. The findings were similar to our IQ findings- while cannabis users achieved lower grades at GCSE (the equivalent of 2 grades lower on one subject), once we took account of these other related factors cannabis use no longer predicted worse school performance.

    It seems therefore that there is something else about these two groups of teenagers (those who had used cannabis by age 15 and those who had not) that is responsible for the differences in IQ and school grades, rather than their cannabis use, though it’s not clear what from our study. Although cigarette smoking was identified as a potentially important factor, we clearly can’t know from this type of study whether it actually causes lower IQ and school performance, and there is little evidence elsewhere to suggest this is the case.

    While this may sound like great news for those 15% of 15-24 year old Europeanswho have used cannabis in the past year, the take home message is sadly not so clear cut. This is just one study from one cohort in one area of England, and as authors of the paper we are the first to acknowledge the limitations of this work, including the young age of the participants when we measured IQ, and the relatively moderate levels of cannabis use.

    A well-publicised study from 2012 suggested that cannabis use starting in adolescence and persisting into mid-life “is” related to IQ decline. So how do these potentially opposing findings fit together? The key difference between the 2012 study and ours is the type of cannabis users included in the study. Our heaviest using teenagers had been using cannabis for approximately 2 years, and had used cannabis at least 50 times each (although 57% of this group reported having used cannabis at least 100 times). In the 2012 study those who showed the most dramatic IQ decline had been persistent cannabis users from adolescence until their late 30’s, and had been diagnosed with cannabis addiction at numerous points in their life. So it’s possible that cannabis addiction, rather than cannabis use per se, is related to lower IQ, or that persistent heavy cannabis use throughout your lifetime can to have these negative effects.

    Our study is by no means definitive, but it does highlight that we should all be more cautious when jumping to conclusions about the harms of a drug before we have strong evidence either way. Overly forceful conclusions about the potential negative effects of cannabis are unscientific and based on an incomplete evidence base. This can lead to the unfair marginalisation of teenagers who use cannabis, which is the last thing we would want, given that this group is likely to include some of the most vulnerable in society.

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  2. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    Did. Not. Read. LOLZ.
     
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  3. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    I've heard it can affect your short term. ..er...where'd I put my. ..is that someone at the door?
     
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    I don't smoke it and am thick as **** - probably something to do with my parents I guess.
     
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    I read it all because my cognitive abilities have not been impaired by the consumption of drugs. Kids at school who smoked weed were utter mongs to begin with so I can't vouch for their IQ after significant cannabis intake. The article appears to repeatedly contradict itself and this is possibly because the "test" results did not confirm to what ever preconceptions the authors and contributors expected.

    During my teen years those of a lesser intelligence seemed incapable of resisting peer pressure and joined in with the other dopers, active intake started in my school as early as the 1st year (11 yrs) and by 6th form it was widespread.

    "unfair marginalisation of teenagers who use cannabis, which is the last thing we would want, given that this group is likely to include some of the most vulnerable in society." Divs & Dope, say no more.
     
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  6. DUNCAN DONUTS

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    Some people can smoke it and live a normal life others get prang and stay inside all day .
     
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    monacoger POTY 2021

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    I would be the latter, hence I don't smoke the stuff anymore
     
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  8. Toby

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    I never prang out on it, I do feel a bit slower than in my youth but that could just be hitting 30 rather than weed.

    To be fair with the amount I've smoked in my life I should be a dribbling ******, so I'm guessing the article is bullshit.
     
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    monacoger POTY 2021

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    There is a definite joke in the last paragraph there Toby, but I shall refrain
     
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  10. DUNCAN DONUTS

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    I know people in their 30s that smoke as soon as they get up and go into work toasted and function .
    They tend not to drink .
    I don't smoke much but started smoking ***s which is pretty ****ing stupid as I only started because I miss the weed.
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Never started smoking weed till I was in my 30s so I don't have a clue what the long term effects are.

    It makes you lazy for sure but I've always been lazy.
     
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  12. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    You know what the effects of the last 30 odd years are, so I'd say that's pretty long term <party>
     
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    I see what you did there, you cunningly implied that I'm in my 60s.

    Got me a <cracker>
     
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    This hun's on fire today . <laugh>
     
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  15. DevAdvocate

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    Makes them all up himself I heard.
     
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  16. GroveRanger

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    Have a go at not smoking, drinking or hitting class A, B or C drugs. It's amazing what the world has to offer when you aren't coughing your lungs up, staggering home after pishing your pants or biting your nails to stumps, twitching and sweating waiting on the next fix/pill/joint etc.
     
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    Booooooo...get aff the stage <party>
     
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  18. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    **** that
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    Drugs I've tried:

    Speed
    Ecstasy
    Marijuana

    ...and I've kinda tried Morphine.
     
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  20. Mick O'Toon

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    Is that kinda like a bit pregnant?

     
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