Shelvy, has he played his last game?

To be totally honest I'm having difficulty remembering his good days . many poor ones interspersed with a couple of tidy ones ?

 

Sorry, I did not register that you thought the whole team was rubbish. That is not really my point. If he was up for it and committed to the Swans cause I just feel he should have run the show as an actual England International. He has ability, I will give you that, but if he chooses for whatever reason, not to live up to that, then there is no point in having him at the club. Especially if we are being offered a profit 140%. When I was at college and playing rugby badly for the second team, there was a Swansea winger who would occasionally play for a run out. He would not go into the first team out of continuity. Long story short. Give him the ball and he would score. He was that much better than everyone else at that level. I.e Shelvey should have ran the show as a current England international. He didn't. Therefore if not, then he wasn't trying. If he doesn't want to try then he is of no use to us.

 

Shelvey's problems are equally shared , by him and the club imo .Best for both that he's gone is the way I see it .

 

Agree

 

Sadly,this is a typical scenario when a player/manager leaves Swansea.

Michu was crap,apparently. He became so immediately after leaving.
Laudrup was a "useless" "loser",even though he had taken the team to it's highest position,won a major Cup, and led the team into Europe.
Then we have Rodgers,who had the gall to get the team into the P.L. What a **** manager he turned out to be - after he left.
I could go on,but not much point.

Shelvey is now the target,and that's just par for the course around here.
One poster is condemning him for having made a 60 yard pass which produced a goal for Newcastle,whilst another poster was condemning him for making a 10 yard pass,that also contributed to another goal for his new Club.

There's a malaise that has this forum in it's thrall - it's envy/jealousy - in it's most basic form. And it's pathetic,and embarrassing,in the extreme.

 

Vetch, did I condemn Jonjo for making a 10 yard pass or take the piss out of the Geordies for drooling over it? It helps if you read posts thouroughly.
Oh, and as for Michu, he was ****e when he left us

There were plenty on here criticising Jonjo months before he left.

 

You didn't use the word "condemn",but the inference was plain to see/read.
Michu may have been ****e when he left,but to erase the memory of when he wasn't ****e,is ****ty.
Oh,I do read your posts thoroughly,which is why I am able to remind you of your inconsistencies some time down the line.

 

Another sparkling contribution from our pseudo mod.

 

Putting what happened with Michu , Rodgers , , Laudrup ,and Shelvey into one basket is apples and oranges .
Different posters have different reactions to different players and managers for different reasons for coming and going ..Good luck selling your fruit as a whole

 

Sadly,there is a common stream among several posters here. They are only able to see bad in people. End of this discussion as far as I'm concerned,since no point in going over the same ground.

 

There is no envy/jealousy from me. Where would said envy/jealously be directed? Michu - I loved his first year with us. Him in our team now as the reluctant striker, I feel we would be flying. Michu losing his 'way' was possibbly linked to the Laudrop era ending, which I also loved, by the way. Rodgers, absolutely deserves credit for getting us promoted.I was there luckily that day, it was possibly the best football day ever for me. Although Swans 5 Leeds 1 was also up there back in the day. It's not getting at Shelvey for the sake of it, He wasn't happy. He wasn't performing and we got offered a good deal. If we use the money wisely and get someone who knows the offside rule then it is good for the club. We then don't have to worry about whether or not selling to a relegation rival was in hindsight a mistake.

 

I loved Michu , couldn't thank him enough.But I could see where posters would be a little irate for him drawing money out of the club .I was a bit upset when the Spainish players showed loyalty in general for Laudrup , but Laudrup didn't pay them , the club did ..another reason why posters could be upset .
Laudrup was my favorite manager , but. Could see why some were upset with him for the style we played , even when we were winning .Loaning Ki out was a bit of a let down .
Rodgers deserved the key to the city the first season , but I can see why some posters were upset with him , taking Allen with him and trying to take other players also .When Monk got the sack Rodgers didn't want the job and that's fine .But we already saved his career once , if he wants to come back in the summer IF we survive , my votes a no ...if it wasn't good enough when we were in trouble , then he can find another job elsewhere when we're not in trouble.
I actually liked Shelvey , I like any player that can pay for his entire stay with us when he's sold .But Shelvey could be a lazy player and come across uninterested at times .
But everyone is different , at different times for different players and managers in my opinion.
I don't like to generalize about players , managers and fans .A case by case by case is best ,While understanding at the same time my opinion is equal to anyone else's , good , bad or ugly

 

The envy/jealousy is a Club thing.
I do not suggest that you,or any other individual,harbours any such negative emotions.
Heaven forbid that were so. My fault,however,for not being clearer.

It's now a fact that Shelvey has escaped to a far better environment,bigger Club with richer history,plus an enormous fan base,
He has made an immediate impact.propelling his new team above the old. Of course,that could change tomorrow.
But for now, many here are riddled with jealousy and envy as a result of their team now occupying the third relegation spot,which Newcastle have just vacated.

 

Lots of sensible points there. I know what you mean about Michu, I think I even posted about him being a greedy/spoilt whatever at the time. I was looking at him with Rose tinted glasses. Very good ones mind. He was so good. Agree with the next point, Laudrop. Then loaning out Ki was just wierd. I could go on but it is essentially yes, yes, yes, yes...

 

I trust Alan Curtis take on Shelvey, who has been forced to counter all of Shelveys self indulgent outpourings in the press. If alan Curtis states that Shelvey is no problem as long as he is playing, but then turns into a petulant child if he's left out for whatever reason, then that's good enough for me, though Shelvey has told all us fans about his attitude when he was throwing his strops the last few games especially the Oxford game.

But lets look at what we are losing:

Problem child with attitude/Hot head.

Cannot do the basic short passing

Always trying the Hollywood Diagonal pass which rarely comes off.

Nearly all his shots at goal this season were 20' above the bar

Collected 5 yellows, and out of the team pouting

Allegedly had a bust up with Siggy

Scored how many goals this season?

Now the above are just some of the issues we know of, but the Club and manager probably have a much larger list, but given the above the £12 Million is so, so sweet, well done Huw Jenkins, and well done Curt for dropping the nugget..............

 

I'm happy for Shelvey , no more than I'm happy that he's gone and we have 12 million

 

Poor old Shelvey , earning £70,000 per week and couldn't be arsed to do his job, somehow that doesn't sit right with me so how can anyone defend his actions is beyond me , there's nothing stranger than folk is there

 

I assume this shot is aimed at me,and that's your prerogative,and I won't hold it against you.

It's also MY prerogative to give opposing viewpoints,if I feel the desire so to do. It's what forums like this are for,but perhaps you don't realise that.

I often take the opposite view,even though I may not necessarily agree with it.

Just reading post after post slagging off individuals who have left The Club,is mindlessness in the extreme.

Sadly,that's what many who post here only seem able to do.

I will NEVER be party to such mindlessness. So now you know.