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Garry Monk: Welcome to the Real World .

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by seabreeze, Dec 13, 2015.

  1. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Monk will be asked to step into the managerial job at Fulham .
    If so , good luck , you're probably going to need it .
    There won't be any kid gloves helping you like at Swansea .
    No kind words from explayers and pundits to give you "More Time " if things go south .
    No chairman to try to prop you up so he can make himself look like he did the right thing hiring you in the first place .
    No extra money from previous managers good transfer policies to decorate you're bench.
    Welcome to the real world of managing in the cruel world of English League football Garry , without a safety net.
    If you can get you're tactics down on the pitch like you're tactics used to land the Swansea job in the first place , I see you having little problem bringing Fulham to the Premier.
    I truly hope you do well but you have a long hard road ahead of you , managing away from the comfortable environment you left behind .
    Sorry if this offends some .
     
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  2. Kwame B

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    Hardly offensive but why the bitterness towards him? A lot of people outside the club have criticised the decision, especially managers, but that is to be expected. Did he have a 'safety net" if he's been sacked?
    If he was propped up by the chairman, he was only done so till now, we have more than enough time to turn it around now, last season I don't think many of us were critical of Monk.
    This season has been extremely poor and Monk paid with his job, as he should have, sticking the knife in now just seems a bit weird.
     
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  3. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    Mate of mine is a season ticket holder at Fulham, and if Monk goes there he'll be given time. I actually think he might do alright because it was always a big ask to put a rookie in charge of a top flight outfit and he would have learned a lot during his tenure. He's shown that he has the makings of a decent manager but ran out of time here and the pressures of the Prem are intense. He now needs to do a stint in the lower divisions and do it the proper way. Good luck to him I say.
     
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  4. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    I also think that Monk does have what it takes, but he needs to be far more flexible and responsive to the changing tides within games, he will be able to develop this in the Championship, a place he knows very well, and I wish him all the best...............<ok>
     
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  5. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    No bitterness toward Monk whatsoever , only toward his decisions and the backing he receives as he makes them .To me one of the biggest reason Monk got more time than our last manager is no one was whispering in Huw's ear when things went south for Monk .
    Look at the division in the squad just before and after the last manager was sacked , from brick gate to no more than 3 Spanish players at a table .
    Jenkins was already on the war path with Laudrup , it didn't take much to put him over the top .
    The amount of money Monk walks away with , is probably equal to the amount of money Martinez and Rodgers were allowed for well made transfers or loans in the Championship to get us into the Premier and when they left , they left us with money coming in for their own transfer.
    Laudrup brought in Chico and Michu for peanuts and turned it into our best season ever .
    Followed up by steering us through a tough following season keeping us in both Europa and and the FA cup and a tough Christmas schedule where injuries hurt us terribly but whoever was left standing played their hearts out for their manager .Up till he got sacked Laudrup played 38 games , followed by Monks 17 games where we were 3 and out in both Cups and no better off after 9 Premier League games with only a horrible bottom 3 teams (18th place having 33 points ) and a superb Bony the last 4 games saving us , although Monk will tell you it was all him ....on several occasions .
    Then Monks first full season he was showered with a 55 thousand a week Gomis that sat on the bench behind A superb Bony , a 7 million pound CB , a superb Routledge and Davis that Laudrup created out of nothing really .
    And with a bit of luck got our best point total with all the tools he was given .
    Then turned around this season and sh:t the bed with decisions on loaning Dyer , sitting Routledge playing the same players game after game while they failed .
    Thank god we made money off of Bony and Davies ( because of Laudrup ) or we would be in the hole big time.
    Throw in an 8.5 million waste in Eder and Tabanou and the benching of Fernandez for the last 3 games in charge , in favour a very , very poor Bartley and Monk got what he deserved , no bitterness , just the facts .
    How Monk does now , I don't know , but the proof will be in the pudding but it will be done without a silver spoon is all I'm saying .
    Long term , the tag team of Jenkins and Monk , took us backwards , we'll see if Jenkins and his new manager can take us forward with less money than was wasted .
     
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    Slade out.Monk in.

    Watch this space!
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

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    Monk did a unbelievable fantastic job as manager of Swansea and paid the ultimate price for jinx and the boards cock-ups. If they had listened to him and backed him we would be pushing for a European spot today instead of facing certain relegation......Sadly jinx thought he knew best and bought players at a high cost that were not suited and forced monk to play them, The rift between manager and chairman had began and was growing bigger by the day spreading to the dressing room and throughout the club. The final straw was the rapid departure of dyer that infuriated monk even more and that was the end of any relationship with jinx and why we as a premiership club cant sign a manager as nobody will put up with what monk had too and why we are in a mess and going down.......Whoever takes monk on he will be an asset but with £3m in his pocket he should wait until the summer when he can pick and choose what interviews he wants......Our loss im afraid and just one of a catalog of errors jinx and the board have made this season.....
     
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  8. Kifflom!

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    "Monk did a unbelievable fantastic job as manager of Swansea"

    Yet we're a point above the relegation zone. What a crazy world you inhabit. Laudrup (whom you despise) had a win rate only 2% worse than Monk (slightly less than that in fact) and Monk was given much more time than he ever was. The facts tell us that the Board backed him and probably longer than they should have. But what has that got to do with our collapse after the first few weeks of the season? The transfer window wasn't even open during that period. Get it through your head - it's a results game and neither they nor Monk were good enough.

    You weren't bleating about Monk being "forced to play expensive players he never wanted" during the time we were flying at the start of the season were you? Not a word about how Ayew, a former African player of the year, was signed by us when bigger clubs wanted him or how he "wasn't suited" to us.

    You're so transparent. It's pretty obvious to most of the regulars here why you've turned your ire towards the Board. Like you, we all backed Monk when he was appointed even though many of us had reservations. However in your eyes he could go no wrong and the sun shone out of his arse from day one so it's little wonder that when results went from excellent to disastrous you could never lose face here by blaming him. So now it's Jenkins's fault in your world, despite the fact that in reality it was down to one person - Monk.
     
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  9. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Jesus kiff are you really that thick <ok> I know this to be 100% accurate , It dont matter what you think as you always think you are right and me and others laugh at you every single time <laugh> i probably have the most info coming out of the club by friends and ex colleagues than you will ever know son ...So it does not matter it's what i know that matters. I can only pass on what i know the rest is up to you which is none of my concern.....<ok>
     
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    Remembering Monk was undermined by Martin Morgan's shenanigans might remind you when the squad was happy, we were top half of the table.
    Take a dump on your team and that will happen. Why get rid of Dyer, when our back up right winger had a couple of sub appearances the year before? (Barrow definitely has a future in my opinion, but the answer to why we would ever sell a player should never be because a shareholder liked the look of his wife... Fingers need to pointed at Morgan for the clubs misfortune as I firmly believe he rocked the boat)
     
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  11. Kifflom!

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    For the record I agree on Dyer - that was disgraceful. But that shouldn't excuse Monk for leaving us within a hair's breadth of relegation. That's a cop-out. If the players weren't happy over that then it's up to the manager to put it right - and sharpish. He didn't. He failed.

    As for Spunk The Nanny Goat or whatever your name is it would help if you answered my points instead of posting the same old crap about how you're better than everyone else. I still can't see how you can blame the Board for a slide in form during a period when the transfer window wasn't open, but when has reason and logic ever played a part in your thinking? Calling a poster 'son' isn't because you believe you're older than me, it's because you think you're superior. That's why you're disliked here and always have been, not because you hold different views. Condescension isn't attractive, you see.

    As for the assertion from you that you have your ear to the ground that may or may not be true. I don't really care. I seem to recall you were a steward many years ago and got sacked. What a surprise. Now you've given up your season ticket and are relishing the thought of us going down judging by your posts, actually hoping Shelvey scores against us so you can prove a stupid point. That doesn't sound like a real fan to me and I wonder if your friends in high places know about that?

    But to say that "me and others laugh at you every single time" is laughable in itself. Oh look - my post gets some 'likes', yours gets zip. But of course we're all "thick" according to you.
     
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  12. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    You don't get it do you. Monks hands were tied by jinx. Jinx was calling the shots on what players come and go and we know the players jinx brought in were not suited but monk had no choice but to play them. Monk did his very best to encourage the new players to fit in but as we have seen they have been useless for us causing us to lose games by the odd goal......Monk had many disputes with jinxs and the board this season that he is not happy with the way this season is going and when the dyer incident took place he lost control and told jinx and the board a few home truths and the rest is now history......the saddest thing is they had no choice other than turn to Curtis to step into the breach and even he thought it would be just for a few games but because no manager will go near jinx with a barge pole now after how they treated monk that Curtis is forced to stay in the job or leave the club and there is no way he would do that......There is no doubt about it that he will do his very best but again it will be jinx who will be calling the shots but it will be Curtis who will carry the can at the end result.......I watch Curtis on interviews and he looks uncomfortable as if he really don't want to be here. I feel sorry for him....
     
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    That implies that Monk wasn't sacked for losing games but because he told Jenkins and the Board 'some home truths' when the Dyer incident blew up. But that doesn't fit at all because Monk was given plenty of opportunities to put things right WELL AFTER the Dyer incident if you look at the chronology. Your scenario simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid.

    As for Curtis, I partially agree with you. He's been thrown into this and told to do his best, and that's pretty obvious. But my contacts tell me that's because Jenkins desperately wants De Boer but that can't happen until the Summer. That's also why Bielsa wasn't offered the 18 month contract he wanted. Now I've no idea if that's true it's just what I've heard and it makes sense even if you disagree with the reasoning. If that is in fact wrong and Jenkins is trying to do things on the cheap then he deserves all the criticism he gets.
     
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    Do you have any real evidence of all this? I'm not saying there is no truth to the rumours, but presenting them as fact is like walking on quicksand, not trying here to shoot the messenger, but you have posted as if these are facts?...........<ok>
     
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    Load of rubbish Monk had the choice of who he wanted to play, that much was clear when he dropped Britton all season, and as soon as Curtis was appointed Shelvey was Dropped, Britton was given back his rightful starting position, and Curtis also experimented with Ayew up front, which all proves that Monk this season got so much wrong he had to be sacked, and since we have played 100% better, and it's obvious to everyone except you.......<ok>



    PS: Plus both Valley and myself have been calling for Gomis and Shelvey to be shipped out for months, and guess what, it's happened, now I suggest you try and digest what really is going on outside your little world...........<laugh>
     
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