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Discussion in 'Leicester City' started by Jack Lesterfan, Jan 6, 2016.

  1. BuzzardFoxMick

    BuzzardFoxMick Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, your damned if you do and your damned if you don't !
     
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  2. AKCJ

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    It's clear we won't agree but I just found it odd that people thought Ranieri was risk free and that he was the best we could hope for.
     
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    That's what debate is all about <laugh>

    I never said 'risk free' and I don't recall seeing that from anyone else - keeping with Nigel wouldn't have been either of course ...

    What we are really talking about is a willingness to move on ... i.e NP wasn't going to get reinstated (again) ... and also to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who had managed a glittering list of top clubs and in each of his initial stints at them had taken them forward ... that last bit was evidenced by the track record ...

    For me this bit gave me just a little bit of comfort <laugh>

    Napoli
    Fiorentina
    Valencia
    Athletico Madrid
    Chelsea
    Parma
    Juventus
    Roma
    Inter-Milan
    Monaco
    Leicester City

    ... oooheerrrrr Missus <yikes> ... but he might be a sideways step from where Nigel has taken us !!! ...

    The reality is that for little old Leicester City FC, the appointment of a manager with that pedigree was on a par with getting Cambiasso on the playing side ... is he too old? is he past it? how will he adapt to / cope with the demands of today's Premier League? ... all good questions yes .. calculated risk perhaps ... but real quality does shine throuhgh more often than not.... as proven by both tbf
     
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  4. MIAMI_FOX

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    It's all rather redundant now because the long and short of it is........ we got the RIGHT man!
     
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  5. AKCJ

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    It wasn't about "moving on". It was about finding the manager to justify what many people thought would be the destruction of the things that got us into the Premier League and kept us there.

    Many Leicester fans feared that the coaching set up (mainly Shakespeare and Walsh), the sports science team and, most importantly, the team spirit would vanish. They have since been proven wrong but that doesn't mean that their fears were unjustified. Ranieri hadn't been in the league for over a decade, his career was seemingly coming to a juddering halt and he looked like Sven #2.

    I didn't think we'd progress under Ranieri (from a team that looked like it had found it's feet in the Premier League to a side chasing Europe). Nor did many, many others. But hindsight is 20/20. We have progressed and that is all that matters, not this silly point scoring that appears to have driven a good poster away.
     
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    Well I guess that is one way of looking at it ... <laugh>

    I'll accept the concerns expressed over the coaching set-up ... always a concern when a manager has moved on ... but that was not Ranieri's fault was it? ... whoever had come in would have had that situation to deal with ...

    That Ranieri's career was seemingly over is a bit of a stretch ... he's not that old in managerial terms ... so are we back to the Greece thing presumably? .. if Fergie decided to come out of retirement next season I'm sure he'd not want for work ...

    I didn't know whether we would progress under Ranieri, no more than anyone else ... but like many others on here was at least prepared to give the bloke the opportunity to prove himself .. and accept that there was now a new manager at the helm and it was time to move on BUT continue supporting the team (and manager) ....some were less generous - seemingly already to have made their minds up on Ranieri before a ball had even been kicked in anger...

    ... and you really think it has been 'point scoring' that has driven a particular individual away from the board rather than a personality trait that found it difficult to face up to some of his views proving to be flawed? ..

    I happily admitted to having been proved wrong by Nigel Pearson during our Championship season - he then had my unwavering support throughout the Premiership campaign when others were calling for his head ... held my hands up - admitted to having been proven wrong by NP then got on with supporting the team ...

    Proud has admitted to having been mistaken about Ranieri - very much to his credit IMHO .. he put supporting his team above any personal agenda or potential loss of face ... that's what you do as a mature adult ... others have done the same ... fair play and respect due.

    Sorry AKCJ ...but the point scoring that more likely drove Gangsta away was the rapidly increasing haul (now 40) that the team was achieving under Claudio Ranieri ... eclipsing what Nigel Pearson had previously done ... I fully accept that you may see it differently ... that's life ... but I won't disappear because you do <laugh>
     
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  7. AKCJ

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    Jesus this is like pulling teeth...

    Ranieri was a gamble. Can you honestly not see that? Doubts were justified, they've since been put to bed.

    I'd say that "a mature adult" wouldn't incessantly yap on about how right he was all along... I'm sure that Gangsta is loving supporting Leicester, i'm not so sure he particularly enjoyed being told he was wrong every time he logged in!
     
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    Any new manager - not just Ranieri us a gamble ...can you not see that?


    .. and I haven't banged on about 'being right' ..I have merely enjoyed the ride ..and I certainly wasn't the only one that challenged some of Gangsta's views .. and as for telling people they were wrong :) .. Gangsta never did that eh?

    Do you honestly think he would have disappeared without further posts if we had lost at Norwich and continued plummeting down the table? ..
     
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  9. AKCJ

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    Absolutely, but there were safer alternatives. Ranieri was a big gamble and it's paid off spectacularly.

    I didn't say that you were the only one. Nor did I say that Gangsta hasn't given out his fair share.

    This needs to be forgotten about now because it's absolutely boring and to the detriment of the forum.
     
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    Agreed. .. but the question was asked and responded to accordingly..
     
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  11. Proud Fox

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    Ranieri was a gamble that paid off

    Vardy was a gamble that paid off

    Ranieri coming in had Sven written all over it but where Ranieri has been different is he hasnt turned the club into his own. He ran with what he had and added to it

    Had he sold half of it and brought his own in like Peter Taylor did after O'Neills success, Sousa and Sven after Pearson's success then we would have gone backwards

    Ranieri has answered his critics. That was rightfully there and justified but he has answered everyone of them
     
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    Amen to that. And breath. Lol
     
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    Who?
     
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  14. Proud Fox

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    Keeping Pearson was the safiest bet, if we wanted a new manager then Big Sam was avalible and would have kept us up
     
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  15. Barwellfox

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    I agree that keeping Pearson would have been the safest option, shame he had a self destruct button. Our owners are extremely wealthy by taking risks, and probably one of the biggest risks they have ever taken was buying our football club. Any new manager would have been a risk to some extent. Claudio has surpassed all of my expectations, cos basically, I didnt have any. Shame Gangsta has gone (for whatever reason), he certainly created debate.
     
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  16. MIAMI_FOX

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    Thank god we didn't go for either option!!!
     
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  17. Proud Fox

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    Why?

    Yes Ranieri has been superb but we will never know where Pearson could have took us
     
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    ... and that's where the opinion is perhaps split .. Personally I have major doubts that Pearson would have been able to take us to 'the next level' ... tactically he got found out too many times and had two very long winless runs that would normally lead to getting the sack ... the football we played last season was great .. this season it is brilliant... with largely the same players. .. for me that is enough to determine which of them is best for our club.
     
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  19. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    .. the owners always wanted a man with the potential to take us forward ..Ranieri's track record is in a different league to Big Sams in that regard .. frankly I personally would have found an Allardyce or Pulis appointment uninspiring.. the Ranieri one in contrast was at the least intriguing..
     
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  20. Proud Fox

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    They would have been uninspiring but they would have kept us in the league without a doubt.

    Im purely answer the question above about there being a safer option then Ranieri
     
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