Match Day Thread 2015/16 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Lfc should have got 2nd in cl group. We got 3rd. That just shows we were not ready.

As I said crawl before walk, walk before run.

Klopp has to build us up. If he can snatch us a league cup this early in his stint... brilliant.

We ain't even close to good enough to get cl football. There's work to be dono so I view a cup success as ounce ing above our weight this season.

 

Are you talking about doing well in the CL here?

If so, as nice as that would be, that isn't what I meant. What I meant by utilising the merits of achieving a CL place is attracting better players, CL players. Not players such as Lallana, Markovic, Lovren and Lambert, players we could have got regardless of CL football.

 

I meant doing well in the CL. Of course we should try our best in any compeition we are in. We are in the SF of the LC and we should go all out to win it. And it wouldbe great if we could win it.

To paraphrase Martinez, " the league Cup is great but the aim of the club is/should be to get a 4th place" or words to that effect.

Let me ask this hypothetical question (bearing in mind that in real life it is not an either or situation):

If you were only granted a single (You cannot have both) wish at this point: 1. A league cup win OR 2. A 4th place at the end of the season. Which option would people choose? For me it is not even close. Being in the CL should be routine. It used to be until very recently. Top players will be attracted although you can still get them tehse days with the high wages paid in the premiership. But given a choice between a CL club and a non CL one, all things beign equal, they will choose the CL one.

 

Option two for me.

The club is about winning things and getting fourth should help the club achieve that more in the future. Wining the League Cup gives you immediate glory but it is very much a one off with very little help towards doing so again in the future.

 

Winning things breeds confidence and gives you the mindset that you can win finals... If you keep losing in finals mentally it has an effect.

 

Moyes willing to go back to Man Utd

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35247693

 

So ****ing what?

 

Sew ****ing buttons

 

With all due respect, Carl- this is what I was complaining about earlier (and not for the first time).
I see no point in making these choices- they're a mental exercise and the parameters have no basis in reality. It's a false dichotomy- we're not restricted to either one or the other.
Of course we can say which one we'd prefer, but the underlying thrust of the argument is that we should give greater emphasis to pursuing that preference. The fact is, we could abandon one alternative and put all our efforts into the other and still fail, because the outcomes of football are decided by far more complex reasons than simply deciding which prize you'd rather have.

The only way to go about football, imo, is to do your best in every competition you're in.

 

How amazing were the last set of CL cup nights? Hardly a mute point if the squad is not good enough and embarrasses themselves like last time...reinforces the "you are not good enough" which showed when we didn't qualify the next year.

Unless something miraculous happens we are not qualifying for it this year and looking at the current level of the team deservedly so. This will give Klopp two windows and a preseason to get the squad shaped more in line with his plans. If he is as good as we think he is then it will be reflected in next years challenge for CL places. And we will be in a much better position to sustain decent PL AND CL form.

Until then lets get this current set of players, the majority of which are young, used to winning stuff as a team. A LC or even a EL cup will be a good start. For them and for us.

Big clubs are only as "Big" as their current teams level.

 

yes there's no place for reality on this board but with me.

 

Getting CL gets more money and a better reputation meaning better players will join who may well have that winning mentality anyway. Why install a winning mentally into **** players that are going to be sold anyway

 

Because there are too many to sell at once lol...so if they are sticking around might as well show them they can win Something lol

 

The latter part of my comment wasn't entirely serious, I was merely stringing Biscan along

Winning mentalities etc is something I've spoke about for a while. I've said we needed to shift the old regime for ages.

 

Players like Cout, Hendo, Can, Firmino haven't won anything, are they ****? Are we getting rid of them if we win the league cup?

Winnning ng mentality isn't just for the players either, you have the managers, the coaches, people who motivate the players, even the fans who are in the stadium. If we went into a final having lost the last 7 then fans will be thinking here we go again, which will have an effect on players... Go in after winning last 7 and confidence will be high.

 

This is all mute anyway. The convo suggests we have this big squad where we can choose a team to take or not take a competition seriously.

We are at the bare bones with mid to long term injuries at a season defining point of the calender.

Unless we literally put the u18 team (maybe tomorrow) then it'll be roughly the same team for every game and Klopp expects 100% from his team when they go out to play.

 

very sensible.

We are currently 46th ranked european club with 41.531 points.

This is beacuse we were out of europe.

Last years campaign got us 12.171 points..... this years has already given us. 10.125 points. We have currently 2 years of no europe (3 points in our ranking) 5 years ago and 3 years.

This means IF we get about 20 points this year. (hopeful i admit) and get europe (league cup ) this year then we can get up the rankings and into top 30 clubs by the following season.... that would require a big effort.

If we were say 4th NEXT year and top 30 in ranking we might at least be 3rd seeds in the CL group and can then expect at worst to end up in europa and so keep building.

This is how city did it, how other clubs do it.

Sevilla are 19th ranked and got 26 odd and 32 odd points when they won europa... in other words winning games in europe makes it easier to progress via seeding.

city are now 14th ranked club, utd only 20th. these things do matter.


I would be very happy with our progress if klopp could get us as far as possible each year in europa, snag 4th if possible next year and win a trophy along the way as he builds his side.

that'd be a good return.

Every fan would LOVE us to accelerate it win the europa and league cup and get top 4 all at once.. of course we would.

 

I was joking too.....sort of.

 

Klopps a winner.. someone to look to. we had carragher and gerrard to look over at in dressing room. I think yes winning mentality is something we need to improve on. Would love fans to really believe. I think we need someone to look at and say.. he's a winner we can relay on that guy or the other guy to drag us through.... LFc lack that now.

 

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