Match Day Thread 2015/16 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Ahh poor MITO, getting wound up far too easily.

I can accept the failings of our team and our manager, but don't go pretending you're anything more than

1) a mid-table team who is "doing OK"as a mid-table team.

2) under a manager who is proving himself to be no better than the fella you just sacked.

3) dropping points against sides who have worse squads than you and still beneath us while we're playing 5hit.

We're all in glass houses, if you think yours looks any better you're as deluded as that scarlet pimpernel twonk who's coat tails you hang on to on here

 

Just a minute, just because a squad is more expensive doesn't mean its better. Frankly I look at our squad and can't believe how **** its become for such a lot of money.

 

You need to do more than parrot back what I've told this lot today truble.

I've already said were 7th for the last 4 or 5 years for a reason (bar one)

As for the rest herr Klopp told us he was not a miracle worker. He's got to sort the chaff from the wheat first

As for the rest you'll see my grand plan eventually.

 

I've not mentioned money. But I do believe the players (and squad) you have is better than the teams you've dropped points to. Likewise with us. So who's fault is it if we lose to these (all due respect) lesser sides? Not just once but repeatedly? Some of it lies with the players, but to say it is nowt to do with the manager (as many livpl fans seem to be) is pure folly.

 

Good comment. Expensive does always mean quality. Paying release clauses and ponying up eye popping fees German clubs fall over to accept doesn't mean anything.

Look at city and the barrel of ****s they call cbs or Utd and their di Maria, martial and depay debacles.

Quality is not what we find, merely much demand for a small supply of names.

Klopp will be judged by what he's got up his sleeve. He does need to move this window and what he can bring in. He needs to show he's learned about the league and show he can pick and attract players.

Irrespective of ability Klopp is a huge European name of the "new school" so has to attract along with wages on offer while Rodgers couldn't attract anyone.

 

Yours are capable of much much worse too

You've never looked convincing under van gaal

 

I don't cos there's a lot of flattering to deceive going on. Our squad is certainly no better than west ham... none. They've a lot of good players and have done well. It's the wrong game to wum on.

 

Expensive doesn't count for fck all. But to start judging players within 3 months but not managers who have been there 2 months, seems a tad inconsistent.

 

Because it's far more difficult for a manager to show results in a short space of time and improving 20 odd players than it is for an indidvual player to focus on himself and himself alone.

But having said that, players need time as well.

 

You could argue it on one team, maybe two, but not all of them. At some point the manager has to take some responsibility. It's no wum at all, simple truths. Someone like Pardew or Allardyce or even Rednapp can be expected to go to other premier league clubs and make an immediate impact against clubs of similar or lesser quality... but Klopp can't? Think you're being far too defensive of him.

 

So you've just contradicted yourself in one post? Plenty of players need time to adjust, but go on to be great players. And who's to say many of yours won't. Isn't that the very thing you were saying about Firmino?

 

Of course they are, the frightening thing for you should be.........so are yours

 

We've lost 6 games that's all.

West ham twice deservedly...... we were unable physically to cope with them in first game and today were out of legs. They've a decent team and are up there.

Watford... we flogged two goals and replaced skirts with Lucas. That was a complete suit show.

Newcastle. The team let the manager down. They gave up on 30mins just as they had many times for Rodgers. They gave newkie encouragement, flogged a poor goal and the second was a late break away

We lost to update after coutinhonaint got sent off.

Lost to palace 2-1 which was two break away goals

There's one game there that Klopp ****ed up but equally palace and Westham (Two Klopp losses) are where? Around 5th to 7th depending on results this weekend and next to your lot.

The last one is Newcastle where the players really let him down.

For me once players fail to show the required ethic you get rid. End of.

 

He likes Firmino

 

There only a few mancs capable of better but our are at the level they are at... 7th... so right now they are in 9th for good readon

 

Google translate says wtf?

 

Auto correct. We lost to Utd after continho got sent off like a fool.

 

I did say dropped points. What about the draws against some poor sides?

OK we'll agree to disagree. I do think Klopp is a good manager, but I also believe he must take some responsibility for many of your poor performances against the lesser sides. That doesn't take away from the fact, that like all managers, he should do better when he brings in his own players.

 

If we are entirely honest then we will accept that the squad we have is optimistically the 6th-8th best in the premiership. Even if the cost is probably top 3 or 4.

An interesting exercise would be to compare equivalent positions with our opponents. Would you prefer their GK, their CBs , their strikers etc. how many of our players will get into their teams?