Match Day Thread West Ham v Liverpool

Yeah sure, I was more on about opposition fans "Klopp flop" etc after a qtr of a season with this bunch of so called "footballers" lol

Last week he should've hooked ford and today changed something as it just wasn't working from the get go so I understand, I'm all for criticism and klopp is certainly not immune, the system as far as I can see is better, so I lay blame on the player's, klopp was angry with how we played and he should be, but that alone should tell us that in his opinion some players are not putting 100% in and that is unacceptable.

 

Is someone suggesting we should be judging Klopp already

Our failings today were players not doing their job, and no team effort, when we've played as a solid unit we've won, today we never seemed to have the ball under control and moved around, it was jerky and uncoordinated. No balance, players not getting their heads up and one or two stinking performances and a few more below average ones.

We certainly have enough to beat the likes of the Hammers palace and Watford, but not the performances, as all three deserved the points.

 

Surely he's responsible for getting more out of your players? Isn't he responsible for players not doing their job? His responsibility for making them coordinated. It's not like this is the first game under his tenure where this hasn't happened. I'm just wondering whether he is really as good as many including myself thought bcos he's not showing any consistency in your team's performances.

 

Only oppo fans on the wum I think, either on the wum or completely thick lol

 

As you know, there is a period when a new man comes in where everyone wants to make a bid for their spot, even players who were out of favour, it is a different league to the Bundes. Add to that we built a squad to play a different type of football. He'll need to buy, especially a striker and a defender, asap. There were a few reasons why it started well but one thing is true, when this team gets rattled, it folds

When Rodgers went I wrote off this season, never expected everyone to drop so many points. But hey, he's not failed to win 0 in 8 games after spending quarter of a billion after 18 months in the job after all, far too soon to judge anything.

 

Just been listening to 5 Live in the gym, and that bleached blert Savage. Like Taxfree Harry, he agrees that we're are not playing to Benteke's strengths.And just what are these 'strengths'? How do you get the ball to a player who not only never moves into space, but actively follows the centre-back and stands next to him? Callers were saying Collins has not got enough praise, and that Liverpool fans are just focussing on Benteke's ****ness. Fair enough, but I'd be interested to see the optima stats on how far Benteke and Collins ran.

Don't get me wrong, both Rush and Lineker often used the trick of standing next to a big centre-back, knowing that from an equal start, if the ball was good enough, they were sure of being onside and would usually beat the c/b for pace. Benteke seems to want it for a straight forward, standing-start aerial jump. I just can't work his game out, Both W Ham's goals (and the one Carroll missed) were about isolating the full back in an aerial duel. Benteke just stands next to the c/b in that scenario.

I've taped the game and will force myself to watch it (tomorrow), but my impression at the time was that in every build-up and set piece Benteke sought out Collins to stand next to, never mind Collins marking him. You know, when he goes he'll score against us like Carroll did today, not because of movement, as such, but because he bullies jellyfish like Skrtel, and as we found out today, whatever Collins' limitations, being a wuss isn't one of them, So I presume that is what is meant by playing to his 'strengths' - we must make the opposition play a centre=back he can duff up.

As for Firmino - I wish he was a poor man's Miralles: He's not even a poor man's Naismith. I'd rather have Robbie Keane back. That said - once or twice he did show a bit of muscle today, and that's a straw I'll clutch at till the end of the season when we make our final judgement. Otherwise he's another Aspas, as far as we've seen so far.

And City tonight - that's why they're top four at least, and we're top half at best. Forget all the yakety-yak about the cost of the squads; when Watford did that to us we just folded over and gave in.

 

It's too soon to judge the manager but not too soon to judge the players? That makes no sense. At the end of the day, look at the teams you're dropping points to. Why do you think teams in the bottom 3 or 4 change managers mid-season IF you believe that you shouldnt expect an immediate impact???? The teams you've dropped points to are no different to those that someone like Allardyce would be expected to get results against at Sunderland. Come on Sisu, these are poor excuses. So basically what you're saying is Klopp is a chequebook manager. Fair enough, but I think most ppl were expecting a little better.

 

Actually benteke wants it short as well.

He will show in front of that cb and look to lay off or turn knowing cb can only foul but we very rarely deliver.

Guys ignore what he has actually scored for us.

Leicester goal.. was that a lumped ball and header... no as lucky as it was he was looking in behind and finished.

I'll say it again. The guy might not be the whippet or Suarez clone guys seem to want but he can score goals and knows where the target is.

As for Firmino. ... if he gets in the gym and builds muscle and shows fight he'll improve. If he doesn't he won't. It's up to him.

 

"excuses"?

Everything I said is true, what is an excuse?

When he has to wait for another manager to get sacked to be able to beat his team after a year and a half of losing to them.. then I'll judge him

 

it shows how ****ed up this season is that United are 5th after winning 1 in 9?

 

Totally true.

An awful pile of ****e really.

I was happy to get 6 points out of Leicester and Sunderland and fully expected us to lose the 2 day turn around west ham fixture... we've run out of any juice and options.

 

Your previous post was full of excuses. Stick to the point instead of trying to deflect it. It's too soon to judge the manager, but not too soon to judge the players??? As I said, look at the teams you're dropping points to. Klopp should be good enough to get that Liverpool squad playing better against them. That's not too soon at all. Teams in the bottom 3 or 4 change managers mid-season to make an immediate impact against those very teams. Allardyce would be expected to get results against those teams at Sunderland with the squad he has.

 

Leicester have hit the wall. We'll see if they have a second wind or not now.

 

We lack no fight whatsoever. Against Chelsea and Man City they let us play football which is what we like. We don't like a team who will defend strongly and catch us on the break. If we have a pacey striker upfront then we need strength in the middle to control the game, if we have a light midfield we need a strong striker to hold the ball and give us a chanc to push on. We have a light midfield and a light striker so we get no chance whatsoever. I can tell you now teams what we will lose to West Brom say when that comes about. They will fight hard and we won't have a clue how to answer it.

Clyne did the most basic footballing display I've seen from a professional, everything was booted high with no direction whatsoever. Our attacking three is woeful ATM and have no chemistry at all. Benteke just isn't a Liverpool striker.

We don't need youth these up coming markets, we need experience and we need leaders. Rodgers has left us in a terrible way.

 

Give me the excuse?

Are you saying just because he is who he is and the team is what it is ipso facto result.

**** off Given he got results we expected not to get, he has worked up some loss Tokens

We just sacked Rodgers, Klopp is just in the door, don't go all plastic meltdown on me.

As for the players, they performed poorly, not because they are new or not, they ****ed up the basics, get your head up, work the defenders and make runs, defend as a unit. Add to that it is a new system after all. The players performed poorly today, totally bossed by West ham

I see West Ham's performance is irrelevant is it in your rationale?

 

So no answer then Would you like me to list the teams you've lost to? List their squads and compare them to yours? Hey, at least I'm not as star struck as you not to criticise our manager, but lets call a spade a spade here, you lot from the fans to the ex-liverpool pundits are all awash in Klopp-mania to hold him to account. Carragher's remarks today demonstrate that perfectly. You'd rather throw players (who've been there marginally longer than Klopp) under the bus before you criticise the fact he has you losing to teams you really should be beating. The fact you won't even acknowledge it is laughable.

 

This is your third post not giving an excuse I use that was not true. Now you are laughing at your phone and telling me I am ignoring the question

#worriedaboutyou

 

Why not simply answer the post instead of playing semantics fella? Perhaps bcos you know, my post you've just quoted you can't answer. I'll leave you to it Sisu. Point proved, no answer, that's enough for me

 

I think the "hottest year in human history" is giving you heat delirium mate. Sit down and drink some water.

I explained my opinion, I dont think I should judge him now, just cos you'd chop up your own manager and leave his body parts scattered in dumpsters all over Manchester, doesn't mean I should feel that way.

You disagree, I get it, but you think I am defending him out of allegiance rather than being nonplus about losses like this. Sorry but I am not expecting everything to just work, team that won a title last year fell, a team that spent qtr billion won 1 in 9, Leicester Arsenal City and Spuds are top 4 and ****ing UNited are still 5th after winning 1 of their last 9 ****ing games.

But Klopp SHOULD have won today.



You belligerent old batard

 

As Rubber said, Clyne was quite poor today. Offensively, he's been really bad this seaso. - expected more from him going forward