Match Day Thread 2015/16 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Origi has looked good in the little time he's had on the pitch since his Southampton hat-trick. He's looked like a new player compared to the one that was playing when Klopp first got here. Hopefully his injury isn't too serious and he can get a few more chances to start up top, he's done a better job than Benteke & Firmino when played.

Agree on the goals from midfield bit too, we do need a goalscoring winger/attacking mid even if its just to support the striker when a cross comes in. At the moment you've got the striker in the box and no one else is making runs in there leaving the striker outnumbered. 2013/14 we had Sturridge, Suarez & Sterling all making runs overwhelming the opposition.

 

Since Klopp took over (all comps):

Games no goals scored: 4
Games one Goal scored: 7
Games two goals scored: 2
Games three goals scored: 1
Games four goals scored: 1
Games five goals scored: 0
Games six goals scored: 1
Total games: 16
Total goals: 24
Goals per game: 1.5

So our goals per game isn't too bad. Unfortunately, 54% of our goals were scored in 3 of our games, or 18.75% of the matches. Take these outliers out, and we've scored 11 goals in 13 games, or 0.84 goals per game. That's clearly not good enough.

That's by no means to say that our defence doesn't need improving either though!

 

The funny thing is most of our goals came in our toughest games away from home where you would probably class the home side as favourites? Which says to me that our attackers are better with loads of space playing on the counter & that we don't have the quality to breakdown a team that sits back against us.

 

If both Origi and Benteke are fit (and assuming Studge and Ings), should we concentrate on developing Origi, or integrating Benteke into the team? Is there a way of doing both? I know we've played Origi more out wide with Benteke a couple of times, but wouldn't it be better for his development to have him in the middle?

 

Indeed. The three outliers were Chelsea, Man City and Soton away, on paper not places where you expect to score loads of goals (albeit Chelsea are having a nightmare season).

I'm not sure we don't have the quality to break down teams, i.e. I think we have players who should be capable of it, but I agree that we don't really know how to do it in practice yet.

 

I think personally Klopp will be spending time on collective play as he's not got an awful lot of time to work on the areas he wants more in.

I think he is going to be working a lot on can for example who needs to really step up to where he could be

I think in general confidence is very brittle at lfc and they retreat into individuals not make mistakes too much.

 

All 3 games shared a feature.... they were open and the opponents left miles and miles for lfc to play in.

Lfc in an open game can compete. In a tight game we've seen us throw them away.

West brom for example should have been 1-0 to us.

Newcastle 0-2 chasing it

Watford totally destroyed us.

 

100% confidence is brittle. 2 or 3 bad results and we play like D&R

 

I think Klopp is like Rafa in the sense that he has his formation and he doesn't really deviate from it. I think playing together would probably benefit both of them though, because Origi wouldn't have to compete against 2 centre halves & Benteke would have someone running off him like Agbonlahor used to at Villa.

 

Agree.

 

Agree.

 

This could be a decent point. I'd hope that Origi can be more clinical than Agbonlahor though.

 

That may be the case.

Klopp tried 2 up and I felt the game became far too open for his liking.

A 433 with either players should have wide forwards joining the striker.

In a 4231 there is zero excuse for one of the 3 not to get beyond the striker

 

My nan is more clinical than Agbonlahor

 

Not hard.

Give the boy time though. We are pushing to hard for a 20 year old to be more than he is... after one game where Southampton had blown it. Ace finish and suddenly we expect it every game?

Benteke is 25, he is expected to be on it every game but we must not fall into the trap of asking too much from origi who is only in the door from a different league. ... even benteke is only in his first year at a new club

Nobody has any patience as Klopp says....

 

I agree. The problem is though that we don't have many options up front at the moment, so in all liklihood Origi's going to be used a lot this season (assuming he stays fit). That's a big burden, but will fans accept having this season as one of development?

 

Bit of a shame really, he looked promising at one point.

 

We've a lot more than last year! !!

Benteke is a good option and will score
Firmino against more attacking sides at false 9 can be like v city... as shown v Watford it can be a disaster
Sturridge will be back sometime then out again... prob back for league cup medal like a sick note.
Origi won't play this week but he's shown that he can learn off Klopp

All in all its very busy season but we've the players for the no 9 position. ... we have not enough for the 3 behind that.

Coutinho lallana and firmino are too similar for me. Rodgers signed lallana imo to replace couts (thicko) and never expected sterling to go but when he did he then got Firmino who's is also similar.

The recruitment plan there from ALL needs questioning and this is really why we are shy of goals.

 

Klopps favoured formation is 4231 so I can't see him changing that.

He did use 4321 a few teams but I think that's down to the players he has.

With a lone striker, we need support from the 3 behind and the box to box mid. This will come. Apart from Hendo, no one else likes to make those runs into the box.

 

Yes.

No point in moreno loading it in when nobody gets in on the end of it


Under rafa we would see benayoun when playing always get to back stick and Kurt we highly effective despite having no pace doing this.

Gerrard loved a big run in there too.

As of now coutinho wants to play in a pocket outside the box, he doesn't like going left where he is supposedly starting so he doesn't get in behind much from open play. Yes when we are advanced or playing a 10 men back situation he does more but you'd want him in a more back and forth game getting up there.

Firmino showed glimpses of it but has been anonymous too so he needs time and physical development this season. He I think needs some time yet to come to terms with it

Lallana sometimes does but usually only first half and he fades. I think Klopp needs to use him more sparingly... if he had an option.

Ibe needs to develop an awful lot. he stays too wide to make these runs and he hogs the ball too much too.

Milner is one paced and just not imo a player who's ever got in there like this. He's a rcm in a 433 imo. He's a Rodgers player who will work but he's not really the guy in 4231



After this we don't have options for 4231