Seems strange to say it after three poor results in a row but yesterday really was a one off. - Second choice keeper in goal who make a massive ****-up in the opening minutes - Sakho's first game back after injury - Skrtel goes off injured - No DM for most of the game due to Skrtel going off and Lucas dropping back (Klopp's decision) - Hendo's not been back very long either and is reportedly career a injury that he'll have for life - Certain players such as Lallna and Moreno seem to have returned to their pre-Klopp form
Definitely his worst performance. He doesn't like being put under pressure. Everton did it to him last season and he looked awful (also when Tobes started calling him Bambi) but that was when we were playing three at the back. Teams have tried to do it to him since we reverted to a back four and he's coped much better until yesterday. He seems to let it get the better of him; a **** up plays on his mind which makes him deteriorate throughout the reminder of the game. I'm not convinced he was 100% yesterday either though. He was a beast before the injury though, even Tobes started to praise him
If you press anyone, they will struggle. It's natural. Sakho has been targeted in the past but still maintains passing accuracy of around 90%. But anyways, Sakho had a mare but he's the least of our worries. January cannot come soon enough. Hopefully the rumours of Matip are true - he's a DM who can play CB. Not a world beater but would give us much needed depth especially since Klopp has no faith in Toure.
Indeed mate. I nearly bumped the "Thinking the unthinkable" thread yesterday, but I decided it was too cruel Leicester were very well organised, but weren't sparkling, they're devastating on the counter though. Your back 4 will have a nervy afternoon if you hold a high line.
I would have too. But we have to be consistent in our thinking and in our arguments. When we thrashed Chelsea, City and the Saints, it had nothing to do with the Rodgers buys but everything to do with how Klopp managed to use the players in an effective manner, using his system and getting the best out of them. But when we play really awful (and let's be honest about this, the last 3 or 4 matches have been really dire) then it had everything to with the awfulness of Rodgers' buys and nothing to do with how Klopp's had deployed them or motivated them. Surely Klopp's cannot have it both ways or can he? I do understand that he is new and his record is fantastic. And that he has lots of credit with us in the bank. Watford themselves provide a very good example of how the manager can be effective in using the resources at his disposal and not needing years to get things going. Watford have had more changes of players than any one else and theyve been changing managers at a rate of more than one per year. Yet the arguments being deployed about giving Klopp several transfer windows don't apply to them??
One more thing, our GK coach, John Achterberg needs to piss off as well. Every keeper has regressed since he arrived.
Just holding any line would be nice....you'd see more straight lines from The Cheese punters walking home from a late night session.
I'm still very happy with the overall situation, Klopp needed to see how lazy some of our players are. They say there's a honeymoon period but it's the players who have had the honeymoon period and now the manager has started to see what he's got. I hope he starts work in January.
So what youve said is that it DID take Watford several years/windows to get the squad looking this good? Not only did they have to bring in lots of new players but quite a few managers before getting it right? As you say Klopp gets more understanding because he didn't buy these players and we have no idea whether he would have at all. He gets to play around with them tacticly and positionally to see if they will work at all in HIS plans. Unfortunately because it is mid season his testing when it goes wrong has direct negative results. As I said before Klopp joined..he would get a longer byeball than the players who have been here and underperformed since arriving: there is not one player that has stood out consistently over two seasons and two managers...not one. The Honeymoon period is over for the players. I gave BR his own timetable of over 3 years to get it right and shape the squad to his vision. It didn't work so he is gone. I'll give Klopp longer than a quarter of a season without any induction of his own brand of player before I start criticising him.
My point was that yes the manager has just joined but he managed to get the players performing in no time. Most of the key ones Gomes, Cathcart, Deeney, Igualo have not been recruited by Flores. This argument about needing time to get things going can be used both ways. Are we saying that the wins against Chelsea, City, Saints were all due to the players? Otherwise we are not consistent. SO Wins are due to Klopp Draws and Defeats: are due to Players ? Even when his "testing" goes wrong, we still blame the players for being ****?? My point was not about giving Klopp time (which he should by the way). It was about consistency in our arguments.
I think we all know there isn't going to be massive changes in January. However, despite Klopp saying otherwise, I do think we'll see one or two arrive. Perhaps that is in hope more than expectation but I seriously can't see us sitting still with the current setup. Only thing I can't make my mind up about is what position those two players would be.
It's not really that everyone is on his case, just trying to be objective and not put all the blame on the usual names (Sakho has had plenty of other dodgy moments this season as well, though not so many in one game). Those "useless" ones all played in the games against Chelsea, City and Southampton-so just blaming them every time there's a bad performance is missing something, imo. I'm not turning on Klopp at all, I'm fully behind him and hoping for great things in the long term- but in the immediate future he needs to do better as well. It may not be his "fault" as such, but it his responsibility to put it right. We've all seen far better performances from that group of players, so we know that although they're not world-beaters they're better than that piss-poor effort yesterday. They can do better, and any manager worth his salt has to get the best out of those available to him. He may need a couple of windows to build a team to compete at a higher level, but saying he can't get results without his own cherry-picked team does him an injustice as far as I'm concerned. And makes him sound like Mourinho
And that is the problem I think. It is not black and white. It isn't this works that doesn't. It is a combination of right manager, willing owners, right players and fortunate circumstance. At the moment, even if Klopp is the right manager, too many of the variables are out of his control. All are out of ours as fans. Which is why we all present different and sometimes contradictory arguments and solutions as the season progresses.
Yes and no. Yes to all the occurrences but it's not a one off unfortunately. I am wondering what went on in training cos Toure should have come on and frankly he should have started if sahko only returned to training Friday We have no communication and no line at the back. Sahko was off on one constantly. Both goals imo were down to piss poor organisation and this was after a full week of training so for me this hints at very serious deficiencies in team play. Skertl and shako are not strangers so they should have held a line even if only back together.
Hence me saying "strange as it seems" at the start. We've been poor in recent games so the performance as a whole wasn't a one off. However, the issues we had last night (that I highlighted) were. RE; Toure should have come on... it's easy to say that in hindsight when you know what happens. I appreciate Klopp realising we needed to score goals so he went for it.
