To the bar? Don't try and detract from your stupid statement. Why is it obvious I've never been to Goodison? Come on Mystic Meg, I'm dying to know how/why you reached yet another dumb-**** of a supposition...when I've been to Goodison twice. And guess what.........
And that's out of order fella. Dead easy it condemn ones own fan bases actions, Forget it's your team and just ask is it right or wrong it's that simple. That story you've told there. We were out of order by the sounds. Lost our pride and dignity in the process.
You posted a story about a bar being robbed, it's relevance to the match day experience of away fans is what exactly? What stupid statement? Ok I'll qualify it for you for the hard of thinking, in my 35 years of going to the game at Goodison, I've never personally seen an incident in an alehouse near the ground where away fans have been the victims of violence or abuse. I might have been lucky eh, but I can only speak for what I've seen. The only bother I've seen in an alehouse there was when Rangers came down (for a testimonial) and took over the Oak from early afternoon, they ended up having a pitch battle with the coppers (not Evertonians) outside. As for your' guess what, I'm sure you're now going to tell me that you've had bother there (strange you've not mentioned it before like) Go on then lad let's hear it......
The point that is being made is that most clubs have moved on from them days, but Everton fans are stuck in a time warp..They are at present are far and away the worst fans in the Premiership..
Football was a family sport when you were in the Prem fella. In comparison to the 70s and 80s which these lads are stuck in.
Thought it may have been chelsea going of all the stories you hear about them. Maybe you will bump into some tomorrow at the match.
I'd have thought it'd be Liverpool fans! Backed Suarez to the hilt... all 40,000 of them, or however many they squeeze into that rat pit, every game.
Round and round in circles with you isn't it, Tobes. 1. The bar being robbed story was a) a continuation of the general Tobes wind-up; b) the relevance is that it was closed for a time, and if it has a reputation - it 'looks like a urinal', apparently - it is not beyond the realms of possibility they are trying to drum up business with a positive news story about a 'fantastic, friendly place'. It's also possible that it is a decent, friendly pub that has had nee bother for away fans. 2. Your stupid statement....do you need reminding? 'away fans have never had any bother'. If you said 'in your experience', as per above, that would be slightly more believable. But you don't drink in all the pubs around the ground, at the same time. Or do you have a network of Goodison do-gooders who maintain peace for away fans around the ground; a direct line to the Chief of police, to ensure the good name of Everton is not tarnished by stanley-wielding scumbags? 3. Go back through the posts on not606 and you'll see I have written about my Goodison experiences before, neither of which were positive. It shouldn't be hard to find, even for someone like you, lad. Strange that, isn't it. The most tiresome aspect of your juvenile retorts is your continuous claim/denial that Everton fans never cause any bother, or if they do it's just light-hearted banter, or one or two individuals, which is bullshit. Idiot.
I'll be on the tubes wearing a tea towel, dark glasses & carrying a haversack ......... I've been practising my shifty sideways look all week. If there are any racists I'll soon flush them out
You go to a lot if these grounds, where would you consider the most likely to have bother these days? Ive only caught the end of this thread and everton are taking a bashing.
In the current PL the worst grounds are Liverpool, Everton where there's always an edge and a lot of non match going vermin on the streets. After that, in order .......... it's Stoke, Leicester, Man City, Spurs, West Ham, Villa, West Brom, Southampton & Swansea. Stoke still have a 'firm' who'll have a go at any bunch of lads whether they're 'interested' or not. I always go to the Newcastle away game which is the worst but that's to be expected.
I'm surprised that you put City so high on the list Smug, considering they don't actually have any fans who go to matches. Out of interest, where would you put the Marseille fans if they were in the EPL?
Thats intetesting. So all the london clubs are ok these days? West ham have a bad name on here with some. Yet everytime ive been its been a blast. I like them. Guess everyone see's things differently.
No lad, you're just chatting bubbles. 1. The bar you brought up had **** all relevance to the discussion, and you've just confirmed it,thanks for clearing that up. 2. Given I've had a pre-match pint in all of the local alehouses near the the ground over the years and never seen an incident in 35 years, makes my experience far more detailed than yours statistically, and yet it's dismissed as me being a 'do gooder' what utter tripe, I'm just saying what I've seen, which is jack. 3. I'm not trawling your post history to find some no doubt bollocks tale, if you can't be arsed repeating it, it's dismissed. I've never said Evertonians have never been involved in bother, of course they have ffs. What I've disputed is the ridiculous assertion that we've got the worst fans in the league. Some of the lame attempts to try and justify that tag have been laughable, and yours are right up there.
Racial abuse aimed at black or foreign players at football grounds is still rife, according to university researchers who carried out a survey of 33,000 fans. Fans from Everton, Rangers and Celtic topped the league table for making the largest number of racist comments heard, the survey found. Arsenal, Charlton Athletic and Wimbledon won praise for reducing racism through campaigns inside their grounds, but according to Sean Perkins, of the Sir Norman Chester centre for football research at Leicester university, racism overall has remained much the same since the last survey, in the 1996-97 season. The research covered the four divisions of the English football league plus Rangers and Celtic, but only last year's Premier league teams and Scotland's two leading clubs were ranked in a "league table of shame". Fans were asked: "Have you witnessed racism aimed at players this season (1998-99)." The percentages of fans who heard racist abuse were: at Everton 38%, at Rangers 36%, at Celtic 33%, at West Ham 32% and at Newcastle by 31%. Best in the ranking were Wimbledon on 11%, Charlton on 12%, Derby on 14%, and Southampton and Arsenal on 16%. Everton fans became notorious in the 1980s for singling out the black footballer John Barnes, who played for Liverpool, during his first appearance in a Merseyside derby, when scores of bananas were thrown on to the pitch. The club was also one of the last in the country to have a black player in the team. Other clubs such as Chelsea, Leeds and Rangers became fertile grounds for organised rightwing groups in the 1980s and vociferously abused black players and fans, with the football authorities and police turning a blind eye. Dr Perkins said that although abuse overall did not appear to have diminished, it did seem to changing. More overt abuse, such as throwing bananas on to the pitch and groups chanting abuse, was rarer, and most examples were confined to individual bigots. The abuse was not confined to black players: foreign players were also verbally abused. "The fact that racist abuse in all its forms is being reported so readily could be an encouraging sign that the high profile campaigns make people aware it is going on," he said. Since the 1980s, however, football has tackled racism. Many clubs have signed up to anti-racist initiatives and tried to attract non-white fans to their grounds. Figures continue to show that few black fans attend matches. The campaign is led by Kick It Out, which has enlisted the help of leading footballers to highlight racism, organises anti-racist days at the clubs, had Kick It Out banners erected at clubs, and is launching an anti-racist campaign at the end of this month with the support of the England manager, Kevin Keegan. The government has recently tightened legislation to stamp out racist chanting at grounds. Charlton Athletic said yesterday that leading clubs needed to do more to combat racism in and outside grounds. Yasin Patel, of Charlton Athletic for Race Equality, set up by the club and the local authority, said: "It's good news for Charlton, but the survey shows that many clubs are merely paying lip service to the problem of racism." Dr Perkins said the fears of football fans had also changed. "Before the Hillsborough disaster people were scared of being beaten up in grounds or crushed. Now it is more about lifestyle and sensibilities. Women and children, for example, who are now far more numerous in grounds, are offended by swearing, whereas men regard this as part and parcel of being a football fan." Another new factor, caused by all-seater stadiums, was that fans could no longer move away if a fan next to them was offensive, as they had been able to on the terraces.
Stoke is a **** hole, and they have some of the scruffiest quegs in the division following them. I hate going there, and it's never a decent experience. City used to be lairy, but these days it's more sanitised in my experience, a few bowl headed, knuckle draggers trying to give it the biggun, but just bollocks verbals is all I've had there lately. Never had a problem at Villa or West Brom, Birmingham used to be awful though, they were always terrible. St. Marys? really?
17 years ago? We had an issue, there's no denying it. We were one of the last clubs to have black players making up a decent percentage of our squad, and in the late 80's early 90's we attracted the interest of right wings bell ends, and racial chanting was an issue back then. Fortunately times have changed, and it no longer exists as an issue in the game (on the surface at least). btw Liverpool fans chucked bananas at Barnes when he made his debut for them at Highbury. p.s http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/05/sunderland-football-fan-racist-gesture-romelu-lukaku
