Off Topic Only in America

No problem, answering questions is a lot easier than trying to explain why we have those rules and why changing them is so hard.

 

Perhaps you might accept that when you throw your statements out folk just might ask reasonable questions of you? Do you have a problem with discussion, or should we all just swallow what you say?

"Every state has licenses to carry concealed firearms (or have no restrictions so no license is needed) so you are just incorrect in your assumption that there are states that do not allow it "

What assumption was that, ellewood? You must show me where you have taken that from, as I have said no such thing - quite the opposite.

This is an extract from Wiki - Open Carry:

Licensed open carry states
A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They permit open carry of a handgun to all non-prohibited citizens once they have been issued a permit or license. Open carry of a handgun is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle. In practice however, some of these states that have May-Issue licensing laws can be regarded as Non-Permissive for open carry, as issuing authorities rarely or never grant licenses to ordinary citizens.
Anomalous open carry states
The legality of open carry varies within state, based on local policies. In such states, some local jurisdictions may permit open carry while others may impose varying degrees of restrictions or prohibit open carry entirely.
Non-permissive open carry states
In these states, open carry of a handgun is not lawful, or is only lawful under such a limited set of circumstances that public carry is effectively prohibited. Such limited circumstances may include when hunting, or while traveling to/from hunting locations, while on property controlled by the person carrying, or for lawful self-defense. Additionally, some states withMay-Issue licensing laws are Non-Permissive when issuing authorities are highly restrictive in the issuance of licenses allowing open carry.
Rural open carry states
In these states, open carry is generally prohibited, except in unincorporated areas of counties where population densities are below statutorily-defined thresholds, and local authority's have enacted legislation to not prohibit open carry in such jurisdictions (California). As such, these states are also regarded as Anomalous open carry states.

I said:

I think I was right in that and I am aware that California is one of the states that does not fall under any open carry licence requirement.

On reading into the subject it becomes apparent that places like Florida might consider pepper spray eligible for a concealed licence, how that queers the stats I am not too sure about.

This is a big subject and it disturbs me that you and many of your fellow Americans believe that improved gun controls cannot be achieved; but here are various licence requirements that are so disparate that, in my opinion, a great deal of your electorate (City, County, State, Federal, whatever) will be lost in the complexities. Maybe this is one end of the thread to be unravelled, there are bound to be others - but enough people need to want to.

 

I read what you typed incorrectly. I read it as you saying there were some states that did not have such licenses not that there were states where that license covered both open and concealed carried. You are right about Florida. There are also states where carrying a sword would be illegal. My parents live in Arizona and there is a movement there where they are trying to get bladed weapons covered under the 2nd Amendment.

The wiki entry you have is old, there were non permitted states in 2014 but as of 2015 there are no longer any non permitted states.

You are right and they are complex, all the different laws. Think of the US as the EU and each state in the US as a country in the EU. The Federal Government has laws which govern all but those laws tend to be the minimum while states will have laws that will be more restrictive. It gets complicated as each states laws are challenged constantly and as such tomorrow something might change someplace and confuse even an American to the point where we say something in a thread like this that is wrong but unknowingly wrong. Each state also has its own constitution further complicating the problem. I wouldn't lie to you on this thread, but its always possible that something has been changed without my knowledge. Also people can get guns in one state and take them legally into another state so guns that might be illegal to purchase in one state are actually legal to own anyway in that same state because they were not purchased there, you know to further confuse things not to mention guns that are "grandfathered in". Also laws tend to have "loop holes" such as the assault weapons ban in California which allows guns that have a special button that ejects the magazine exempted from the assault weapons ban which means every assault weapon is now made with that button so that there is in effect no real assault weapons ban in California. The mass shooting that just happened had 2 assault weapons that had such a button so they were legally purchased.

Once again you are right that its complex but the complexity can lead to greater gun control as places like California can get laws passed and upheld easier than people in Alabama or Texas for instance as the state legislature makes those laws and not the federal government. For instance the assault weapons ban in a few states is more restrictive than the Federal governments laws which have no restriction and they are more restrictive than Texas (which I assume hands out AR-15s to children at birth). Also the complexity is normal to us as this law variation occurs with every issue and not just the gun issue.

Nothing to do with what you typed but just to show you. We have commercials on the TV advertising guns constantly and I get gun fliers almost daily in the mail trying to get me to buy assault weapons. Here are a couple commercials that are on tv right now. (Edit, I cant find the guy version thats on TV right now.) I can take a photo of one of the gun fliers if you want and post it so you can see.

 

I am grateful you re-read what I wrote, as it helps the discussion if we are both talking about how we understand it - which, as Wiki proves, is not always as it is. I have read other stuff, but keeping up with it (as you say) is a task in and of itself. I have never said you have lied and appreciate being able to discuss it, on an off-topic thread, without it going caustic.

As with most things, something that might be inherently weak (multi-layered and disparate legislative control) might also throw out the odd benefit, such as Cali' s restrictions on assault weapons (despite the button), just as having open borders might compound the difficulties.

I know of the level of advertisement for weapons, I also know that we once had a similar level of advertising for smoking products, but we do not now. As I said, that might be one of the many threads that government can start unravelling from the bigger ball of constitutional madness. Whatever route(s) are taken to tackle gun control, they must be found and followed, because the situation you all endure has to change. It might start with those who think they are capable of having guns being prepared to give them up so that legislation can address those who, perhaps, should not have guns.

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...n/news-story/2d87e4dee3c159abaa998e49ba91120b

No-one actually shooting anyone else in this one, but still qualifies for for "Only In America"

 

Same state bans fireworks and allows guns.

 

This from the article, frightening.
His wife, retired science teacher Jane Mann, feared the proposed solar ranch could thwart photosynthesis and stop plants from growing. She also said no one had proved solar panels didn’t cause cancer.

 

This article reads very similar to the discussion/vote re. Hull's new concert venue - I see a future twinning opportunity; Kingston Upon Hull twinned with brother luddites in ****sville USA ............ ''hands across the sea'' anyone?

 

Yet the USA has had more science Nobel prizes than anywhere.

 

Lots of states ban fireworks, no state can ban guns, guns are a right guaranteed in the Constitution.

 

Its not surprising at all. My high school was not allowed to teach evolution, the age of the Earth or even dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were of course put there by the Devil to drive us away from God. In fact they said that Gravity was only a theory and that what occurred was God used his hand to pull objects to the ground it was called "The Hand of God". The Civil War was called the War of Northern Aggression. For a field trip they made us go to Gettysburg stand where the unit from our town stood and then march in formation like they did in Pickets Charge so we could go kill the Yankees and win the war. There was no Martin Luther King Jr day we had Lee Jackson King Day instead so we could celebrate the Confederate Generals Lee and Jackson. We had hundreds of kids who sat in the grass outside everyday and prayed around the flag poll. The KKK used to flier and collect donations outside some of our baseball games, I have seen KKK membership forms being passed around in high school dugouts during games. I could really go on and on. Its the South after all you have to have lived there to understand. Also before you go thinking I am 100 and this is all in the distant pass I am only 34.

 

Loonies are everywhere, I was watching that Ben Fogle show the other day about people living off the grid and it had some mad old woman living in a mud hut in Wales who wouldn't have anything to do with electricity, she'd have been better off in an old folks home watching Countdown and having the moon sized growth on her face seen to

 

That looks amazing, especially for somebody suffering with multiple sclerosis to have done it

 

There can't have been dinosaurs. Noah didn't take any on to the Ark.

What is the fundamentalist Muslim view on the matter?

 

The internet says they have no problem with the existence of dinosaurs or evolution.

 

I would have thought evolution would be a bit problematical for them.
Still, the South did give us Sun Records, Elvis, Stax Records, Otis Redding, Muscle Shoals, Little Richard and various other things that were great.

 

You are proof that dinosaurs still exist.

 

The internet said that the reason they dont have a problem with it is because they dont believe in the book of Genesis and the Qur'an does not expressly offer anything that would contradict the idea. Probably cant go into to much more with the no discussing religion rule but there are a ton of websites that discuss it if you really want to read up on it.

Dont get me wrong the South is a great place, it just has a lot of problems. The best US cities are all in the South and if you wanted to come visit the US I would really recommend spending your time there.

 

You must be the only surviving brain transplant donor.