Off Topic Dark Matter and other Astronomy information.

Alla bit of xmas fun lads calm down, I already told Donga more than once I'm not sold on the moon hoax. Someone else brought it up and I threw out some bait.

I'm not one for not defending what I think is the case in case you dont believe me

Enjoy the booze and holidays lads, I'm not into this "banter" over the xmas

 

In other words you have now looked at it properly and realized all the stuff you had copy and pasted from conspiracy sites has been completely debunked leaving you with nowhere to go on this one.

PS if you are giving this one up what about coming back to the last one you ran away from re AIDS being man made?

 

Not read any of the posts in 3 days?

That'll be why you were replying to them yesterday morning then...

If you'd have just come back and admitted your 'facts' were wrong, then I'd have maybe given you some credit. But all you've done here is failed to acknowledge you've been owned and tried to make out it was all a bit of a hoot by you.

 

So nearly 200 counties are conned (or part of the conspiracy) by the climatards

If only they had read Sisu's posts ffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35073297

 

I see notifications as to who is posting but I am not reading the posts lads, what dont you get about that? The only post I have read on his thread in the last few days was RHC's "this" post cos it's hard not to read

Let it go lads, especially you saint, I so got to you before, clearly, as you've been taking this bitterness to other threads and pretending it is humour. You're transparent mate.

let it go, tis the season to be jolly, not the season to be pretending to be jolly.

Tobes I am sure you dont believe you have been duelling with no one, but you have.

Terrific.. I never read your posts, cos you are a loony, hope they get santa into the sanitorium this year for you guys

 

No mate, of course you weren't reading them, that's why you were arguing specific points and calling Donga and the rest of us idiots for not agreeing with your completely incorrect statements of 'fact'.

And now you're just trying to laugh off your complete #fail as some sort of humorous wind up.

Oh dear......

Maybe next time don't take the bullshit that you read on your conspiracy sites as fact without checking them against something called 'reality' mate

 

Haha- don't flatter yourself.
Where's the "bitterness"? What does that tired old cliché actually mean in this context?
You're the more obsessed it seems as you keep naming me and calling me names.

No, no bitterness from me- despite your childish insults. I won't descend to a tit-for tat name calling as it doesn't help one's argument to call anyone who disagrees a fool, and verbally abusing others is the last resort of those who know that their argument has failed.
The truth is, I like a lot of the stuff you post and -please take note-agree with some of it. It's just that the unquestioning acceptance of any and all farcical conspiracy theories is so outlandish the only sane response is humour.

 

I can only assume you lads truly believe I am reading anything, how sad is that like. Merry crimbo. All that hot air and arse licking to no end eh, fancy that

You guys just dont want to believe I aint reading your posts.. that's mildly interesting

 

What's worse is trying to make out that you've not read them, when you patently have.

It's the Internet equivalent of fingers in the ears la, la, la.

You're not even convincing yourself love, let alone any of us.

 

So... new agreement on climate change.. Everyone standing around and giving each other pats on the back. The question is, does anyone give 2 fcks? Call me a cynic but sounds like bollox to me.

 

All I care about is "what will it cost me"

 

I would say 'the future of your grandchildren', but as Denis Leary said "****, them, this is the way I found this planet so I'm just passing it on".

 

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Steve Iddings at WHO explained the strategy of focusing on health systems: "To lessen the effects of climate change on dengue and other climate-sensitive diseases, it is essential to strengthen health systems. For example, through education of health professionals, provision of public health infrastructure, enhanced disease surveillance and outbreak response, and improved delivery of primary health care services."

Projects such as Malaria Consortium's should allow countries to better adapt to the health impacts of climate change.

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It will be bollox mate, the same as Rio and Kyoto. It's a massive jolly for most there, convincing themselves and each other that progress
is being made to 'save the planet'. I feel for some attending who will want to see real change in how we treat this place, but they are up
against corrupt governments/corporations to whom the bottom line is profit, and nothing else matters. In short, were fcked.

 

Btw, and NOT wishing to open up all that moon-landing conspiracy stuff again, I forgot to mention this brilliant, conspiratorial loon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

I'd really love to meet this guy. I'm especially interested in his theories on consciousness and suchlike. I bring him up, and his continuous and vehement views on aliens and ufo's, despite his own high military status, not so much as evidence but logic - would this guy have hidden in a hangar filming for two weeks and NOT been able to tell the world about it?

Says a lot that heis good friends with the other quasi-nutter, Aldrin, though.

 

"spooky" action at a distance confirmed.

"Spooky Action at a Distance" Confirmed by New Quantum Experiment
Albert Einstein may have been the greatest mind of the 20th century, but the great physicist famously disliked some of the weirder implications of quantum physics. Now, nearly a century after his protests, physicists may have proven one of the points that he doubted the most.

According to quantum mechanics, a particle can be described as a wave that spreads out over a great distance. Yet the particle is still just one particle. You can't detect it in two places at once. When physicists observe the particle in a particular location, they say that the wave function—the mathematics that describes how a particle could be in multiple places at once—has collapsed.

Einstein could not accept this. Or, at least, that he thought the quantum mechanics of his day could not adequately explain it, referring to the phenomenon with the now-iconic phrase "spooky action at a distance." But in new research published in Nature Communications, Griffith University's Howard Wiseman and colleagues use a single particle to show that the wave function really does collapse in this strange way. In so doing, their work backs up years of research into quantum entanglement, in which particles are connected in a mysterious way even when separated, so that observing or affecting one instantly affects the other.

Previous experiments had tested quantum entanglement with two particles, but the researchers wanted to get at Einstein's claim by entangling a single photon of light. They did this by firing a beam of photons into a splitter that cut each photon in two, sending half of the light to one lab and half to another lab.

Using a finely tuned homodyne detector—a tool used to measure the waves of these particles—Lab A tried to look for its photon and measure its phase. So did the scientists in Lab B. They found that if the Lab A researchers had detected the photon, then the Lab B researchers did not, and vice versa. Plus the photon state that Lab B detected depended upon what Lab A detected. That's exactly what you'd expect if the single split photon were entangled.

"Einstein's view was that the detection of the particle only ever at one point could be much better explained by the hypothesis that the particle is only ever at one point, without invoking the instantaneous collapse of the wave function to nothing at all other points," Wiseman says in a news release. "Through these different measurements, you see the wave function collapse in different ways, thus proving its existence and showing that Einstein was wrong."

http://www.iflscience.com/physics/einsteins-spooky-action-distance-confirmed-new-quantum-experiment


Information travels so fast as to appear instant, much faser than the speed of light to be more exact. Another pillar of mythology relativity stripped away. Of course if one doesnt keep up on these things, one might think work from 100 years ago will "be valid forever"

 

ON further looking into gravitational waves, the telescope in the souyth pole that claims to have seen this in the CMB, esesentially claim to detect a signal 1000 times weaker than the noise of the glactic foreground.

There is a radiology standard for this measuring, you either need a priori knowledge of the signal or you must control the signal, the telescope in the south pole met neither criteria. So, scientifically they could not possibly have detected the effects of gravitational waves by the standard of the very science they are using to try detect them

 

So, scientifically they withdrew their claim 10.5 months ago

http://www.nature.com/news/gravitational-waves-discovery-now-officially-dead-1.16830

 

"Information" does not travel faster than the speed of light in the mathematical/physical sense or being able to use this for communication. In order to interpret their results the two scientists measuring the photon need to share information with each other about the particle they are meauring, and that information must be shared by some traditional slower than light means.

If you just wanted to pretend that something with an apparent speed greater than light somehow invalidates relativity you could have just looked to optics results of phase speeds of light greater than the speed of light, though again these do not allow communication at speeds greater than the speed of light, but you don't care about understanding the result anyway just taking half a sentence and twisting it to your purposes.

This article is about Einstein being wrong about quantum physics, not relativity.

Of course if one doesnt keep up on these things, one might jump on a result sounds like it supports your argument when it is already widely known and understood that it doesn't.

 

Gravitational waves have been bandied about here on this thread as recent as last week or the week before. Your point being?

Also, if they had to retract (fair shout btw) when will the WMAP team do same as they are also committing the same radiological fraud. Saying they can measure the CMB that is 1000 times weaker than the galactic foreground noise?