1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Rogue One - A Star Wars Story

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by ellewoods, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. ellewoods

    ellewoods Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2012
    Messages:
    10,649
    Likes Received:
    1,178
    People have already seen it that work at some of the theater companies if reddit is to be believed.
     
    #341
  2. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    Very possible, particularly in more independent theaters, but reddit isn't to be trusted really.

    The only person who I know has seen the movie whose opinion I believe is Kevin Smith, and he said it were ace. Good enough for me, he's not the sort of guy who would say that and not mean it, he loves Star Wars too much.
     
    #342
  3. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    Vue cinema in the VIP seats of course!
     
    #343
  4. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    21,807
    Likes Received:
    6,317
    Can we please have it agreed that we wont have ANY spoilers on this thread? If once youve seen it and want to discuss the intricacies of the film with others who have seen it, can we have a clear thread marked CONTAINS SPOILERS?
     
    #344
    PLT likes this.
  5. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    21,807
    Likes Received:
    6,317
    What do you pay for this in Ull? Mine's costing £33 for 2 tickets.

    **** me.
     
    #345
  6. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    111,679
    Likes Received:
    76,025
    Kinnel, a third Star Wars thread?

    Actually, I'll merge the two current ones.
     
    #346
  7. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    £12 quid per ticket
     
    #347
  8. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    Can you at least rename it Force Awakens, cos its more than discussion about the trailers!
     
    #348
  9. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    Agreed. Even though I will be seeing it at midnight opening night.

    Too bad the NSFW function isn't there anymore really, would make it a lot easier for those who do want to talk about it.
     
    #349
  10. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    £33? Kinell.

    Mine cost about £8.
     
    #350

  11. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    111,679
    Likes Received:
    76,025
    Done.
     
    #351
  12. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    Thanking you
     
    #352
  13. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    21,807
    Likes Received:
    6,317
    Its at this:
    http://www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/locations/xplus

    The dolby atmos surround sound really is noticeable, when I watched SPECTRE I actually looked round thinking a bird was chirping behind me.
     
    #353
  14. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    The best sequence to watch ALL Star Wars is;
    Episode IV
    Episode V
    Episode I
    Episode II
    Episode III
    Episode VI
     
    #354
  15. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,004
    Likes Received:
    27,852
    **** Star Wars
     
    #355
  16. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    Well, that's not far from IMAX, which explains it. Vue has Sony 4K though, absolutely brilliant quality picture.

    The machete order is definitely the best way. I'd cut out Epsiode I altogether though, it's pointless.
     
    #356
  17. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    Weirdo.
     
    #357
  18. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,004
    Likes Received:
    27,852
    I take it I, II and III are the first 3? The later ones have been pre prequel and prequel. I still don't get the fascination. My main disappointment is how bad Carrie Fisher looks nowadays.
     
    #358
  19. SuitedandBooted

    SuitedandBooted Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    2,582
    Likes Received:
    465
    But without episode I you wouldn't know about Qui Gon Jinn or Darth Maul who were 2 pretty good characters.
     
    #359
  20. Quill

    Quill Bastard

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    40,719
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    They don't add anything to the main story running through all the films though really.

    The creator of the machete order said it best. http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/


    Why Skip Episode I?
    Look, I'm not going to sit here and bag on how crappy Episode I is. I'm not even going to try and act like Episode II is better or tell you Episode I ruined my childhood or anything like that. It didn't, it's just a movie that isn't very good.

    The reason to skip Episode I isn't that it's bad, it's that it's irrelevant. If you accept my suggestion that Star Wars, the saga, is really about Luke's journey and his decision to accept his hero's burden by saving not only the galaxy from the Empire, but his father from the dark side as well, then you'll find that everything that happens in Episode I is a distraction from that story.

    Seriously, think about it for a minute. Name as many things as you can that happen in Episode I and actually help flesh out the story in any subsequent episode. I can only think of one thing, which I'll mention later.

    Every character established in Episode I is either killed or removed before it ends (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, Chancellor Valorum), unimportant (Nute Gunray, Watto), or established better in a later episode (Mace Windu, Darth Sidious). Does it ever matter that Palpatine had an apprentice before Count Dooku? Nope, Darth Maul is killed by the end of Episode I and never referenced again. You may as well just start with the assumption that Dooku was the only apprentice. Does it ever matter that Obi-Wan was being trained by Qui-Gon? Nope, Obi-Wan is well into training Anakin at the start of Episode II, Qui-Gon is completely irrelevant.

    Search your feelings, you know it to be true! Episode I doesn't matter at all. You can start the prequels with Episode II and miss absolutely nothing. The opening crawl of Episode II establishes everything you need to know about the prequels: a bunch of systems want to leave the Republic, they are led by Count Dooku, and Senator Amidala is a senator who is going to vote on whether the Republic is going to create an army. Natalie Portman is called Senator Amidala twice in the first 4 minutes of the movie, so there's no question of who's who.

    What Gets Removed?
    Here's some stuff that you no longer have to see as part of your Star Wars viewing experience, thanks to skipping Episode I.

    • Virtually no Jar-Jar. Jar-Jar has about 5 lines in Episode II, and zero in Episode III.
    • No midichlorians. There is only one reference to midichlorians after Episode I, and in the context it appears to mean something as benign as "DNA."
    • No Jake Lloyd. Sorry Jake, your acting is terrible and I never really wanted to see Darth Vader as a little boy.
    • No confusing Padme/Queen switcheroo. The whole subplot with Padme and her decoy makes absolutely no sense. It's clear that this was just so people could interact with Padme without knowing she was the Queen, but it's incredibly convoluted and pointless.
    • Less confusing master/apprentice relationships. Darth Sidious is training Count Dooku, Obi-Wan is training Anakin. No other trainer/trainee relationships exist to confuse the backstory. Fewer characters to learn about, so the story is more focused.
    • Nothing about trade disputes. The "problem" as of Episode II is that a group of systems want to leave the Republic. This is much easier to understand for a kid than trade disputes.
    • No pod racing. Seriously, who gives a ****? An action sequence for the sake of an action sequence and it goes on forever. A huge number of plot holes surrounding gambling and the subsequent freeing of Anakin are removed as well.
    • No virgin birth. We simply don't know or care who Anakin's father is, and the botched implication that Palpatine knows is gone.
    But like I said, booting Episode I isn't merely about pretending a crappy movie doesn't exist. Viewing Episode II immediately after V and Episode III immediately before VI actually tells the story better than including Episode I does. In fact, I think it tells Luke's story better than leaving the prequels out entirely.

    Why Does This Work Better?

    As I mentioned, this creates a lot of tension after the cliffhanger ending of Episode V. It also uses the original trilogy as a framing device for the prequel trilogy. Vader drops this huge bomb that he's Luke's father, then we spend two movies proving he's telling the truth, then we see how it gets resolved. When Empire first came out, lots of people thought Vader was lying to Luke. It wasn't "proven" true until Obi-Wan confirms it in Jedi, but then it's immediately followed by Obi-Wan's "a certain point of view" justification. Inserting the prequels turns this reveal into a "show, don't tell" situation - we don't just hear Obi-Wan say it, we see it.

    With Machete Order, the Star Wars watching experience gets to start with the film that does the best job of establishing the Star Wars universe, Episode IV, and it ends with the most satisfying ending, Episode VI. It also starts the series off with the two strongest films, and allows you to never have to either start or end your viewing experience with a ****ty movie. Two films of Luke's story, two films of Anakin's story, then a single film that intertwines and ends both stories.

    Beyond this, Episode I establishes Anakin as a innocent little kid. But Episode II quickly establishes him as impulsive and power-hungry, which keeps his character consistent with eventually becoming Darth Vader. Obi-Wan never really seems to have any control over Anakin, struggling between treating him as a friend (their very first conversation together in Episode II) and treating him as an apprentice (their second conversation, with Padme). Anakin is never a carefree child yelling "yippee", he's a complex teenager nearly boiling over with rage in almost every scene. It makes much more sense for Anakin to have always been this way.

    In the opening of Episode II, Padme refers to Anakin as "that little boy I knew on Tatooine." The two of them look approximately the same age in Episode II, so the viewer can naturally conclude that the two of them were friends as children. This completely hides the totally weird age gap between them from Episode I, and lends a lot of believability to the subsequent romance. Scenes in which they fall for each other seem to build on a childhood friendship that we never see but can assume is there. Since their relationship is the eventual reason for Anakin's fall to the dark side, having it be somewhat believable makes a big difference.

    Obi-Wan now always has a beard for the entire duration of the series, and Anakin Skywalker always wears black. Since these two characters are played by different actors (and are the only characters in the series with such a distinction), having them look visually consistent does a great deal toward reinforcing they are the same people.
     
    #360

Share This Page