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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by TheOXOCube:5pur2, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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  2. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    You ain't no prime minister bruv
     
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  3. Smirnoffpriest

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  4. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    We don't want any Islamo-fascists. We've got plenty of our own, thank you.
     
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  5. winifred122

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    Sorry for late response-have been travelling. The word horribly may have been mis-used, I accept. I am amused by claims that the BBC is the Tory party's lap dog when there is day to day evidence of left bias. Some examples?
    Almost all radio five presenters.
    Almost all Newsnight presenters, especially Evan Davis.
    Almost all BBC news readers
    Almost all guest reviewers of the newspapers on BBC news
    Special 'guests' on topical radio programmes- Jeremy Hardy and Sandi Toksvig, to name two.
    The majority of the audience in question time and David Dimbleby.

    All these have in common is an attitude, negative at best, aggressive in some cases, that attacks the Tories at all opportunities. Not necessarily a bad thing as a strong government needs strong opposition. However, to say the BBC is the Tory party's mouthpiece ignores all of the above.

    Interestingly, since Corbyn was elected leader, the BBC has given him a rough ride.
     
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  6. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I can't agree with any of that (except for the radio shows as I don't listen to any radio shows). I have BBC News 24 on in work and it barely ever criticises the Government, or asks serious questions of them, but consistently criticises Corbyn and Labour.

    The amount of lies told by Cameron, such as increasing house building, being the 'greenest government ever', reducing immigration, ring fencing the NHS budget (when in actual fact he is just splitting the budget into 3 parts - frontline, mental health and social care, and slashing two of the three - hugely affect the third, and privatising large parts of hospitals at the same time), creating a 'high wage, low tax' economy(when wages are falling in comparison to living costs, we have many people on zero hour contracts or on 'below minimum wage contracts' and even minimum wage isn't a living wage and the millions of public sector workers haven't had a pay rise in 5 years, and a lot in the private sector aren't much better off, while taxes continue to rise).

    But none of these claims are questioned by the BBC, neither is his attempt to attack our human rights (getting rid of the Human Rights Bill, getting rid of Workers Rights with the Trade Unions Bill and other legislation, reducing the ability to protest).

    From what I've seen and from what I'm aware the audiences on Question Time are made up by ordinary members of the public and are fairly representative - ie you have Tory, Labour, Lib Dem supporters, nationalists, students, ect you have people from lots of socio-economic backgrounds, though of course there are more middle and upper class than working class. Though the QT on Tax Credits attracted strong criticism of the government because there was strong opposition to it amongst members of the public from all persuasions - such as the Tory woman who spoke out about her disgust about the plans.

    To say that the BBC offers strong opposition to the Tory party since the Tory party have attacked the BBC, stated they want to privatise it, reduced it's budget, placed right wing supporters in key positions and put a known Murdoch supporter/past employee in charge of culture and the BBC budget, is laughable. Since they've been in power critical analysis on the BBC News channels has decreased dramatically.
     
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  7. BrunelGooner

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    I already gave an example of why and how this isn't true.

    As for the rest of your post, it was essentially a bunch of sweeping & arbitrary generalisations that had very little evidence to support any of the claims you made.

    Saying "Most of the Question Time audience" is left-wing, when you have nothing whatsoever to support this, demonstrates my point perfectly.
     
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  8. Tiddler

    Tiddler Hoshu-tekina

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    In Their Own Words
    When people ask for evidence of an institutional Left-wing bias at the BBC, this is the place to go for evidence. Out of the mouths of Beeboids….

    The BBC is “a publicly-funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large”.

    All this, he said, “creates an innate liberal bias inside the BBC”.

    Andrew Marr

    “It’s a bit like walking into a Sunday meeting of the Flat Earth Society. As they discuss great issues of the day, they discuss them from the point of view that the earth is flat.

    “If someone says, ‘No, no, no, the earth is round!’, they think this person is an extremist. That’s what it’s like for someone with my right-of-centre views working inside the BBC.”

    Jeff Randall, former BBC business editor

    By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.

    Peter Sissons, Former BBC News and Current Affairs presenter

    “In the BBC I joined 30 years ago [as a production trainee, in 1979], there was, in much of current affairs, in terms of people’s personal politics, which were quite vocal, a massive bias to the left. The organisation did struggle then with impartiality. And journalistically, staff were quite mystified by the early years of Thatcher.

    “Now it is a completely different generation. There is much less overt tribalism among the young journalists who work for the BBC. It is like the New Statesman, which used to be various shades of soft and hard left and is now more technocratic. We’re like that, too.”

    Mark Thomspon, former BBC Director General

    “I do remember… the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I’ll always remember that”

    Jane Garvey, Radio 4 presenter, recalling Tony Blair’s election victory in 1997

    I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the Health Service, state welfare, the social sciences, the environment and state education. But perhaps our most powerful antagonism was directed at advertising. This is not surprising; commercial television was the biggest threat the BBC had ever had to face.

    Sir Antony Jay, former BBC producer and creator, inter alia, of “Yes, (Prime) Minister”

    “Liberal sceptical humanists tend to dominate television”.

    The “default position in broadcasting” – when covering issues such as gay marriage and the Roman Catholic position on IVF – revolved around human rights, and that opponents should not be treated as “lunatics”.

    “All I’m saying is, if you have at the centre of News an editor, he could explain why people in particular areas…are motivated, why they behave as they do and I think that would just increase understanding.”

    Roger Bolton, Radio 4 presenter and former head of Panorama and Nationwide

    “And, in the tone of what we say about America, we have a tendency to scorn and deride. We don’t give America any kind of moral weight in our broadcasts.”

    Justin Webb (pg. 66), Today presenter and former BBC North America editor

    “We need to foster peculiarity, idiosyncrasy, stubborn-mindedness, left-of-centre thinking.”

    Ben Stephenson, BBC controller of drama commissioning
     
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  9. winifred122

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    I will concede my point about the Question Time audience was stretching things a bit. However your point merely took an isolated example and, in its way, was no less arbitrary with regards the wider argument than mine. I am afraid that this boils down to a simple situation: in your opinion the BBC is not biased towards the left, in my opinion it is-impasse.
     
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    ....hmm food for thought
     
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    I was wrong to widen my scope to include the Question Time audience but I stand by the other comments. I am not, however, denouncing anti-tory criticism, as I said before, strong opposition is vital and some Tory policies are controversial to say the least. My original point was made in surprise that comments were made along the lines that the BBC was the mouthpiece for the Tories, which contradicted my view and opinion. That Corbyn is coming under intense scrutiny is not necessarily proof of right wing bias as a number of labour mps and supporters would like to see him gone.
     
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    No, it's because he is a gutless, sopping wet commie who has nothing good to offer the world.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Can you at least link to your sources, if you're going to steal something wholesale?
    http://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/

    Most of those quotes are either horribly quote-mined, referring to the past or both.
    I'm not sure what relevance any of it is supposed to have to the current state of the organisation.
    Given that the blogger in question thinks that Trump is the messiah, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.
    This is his other site: http://www.atangledweb.org/
     
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  14. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    Well at least we've got intelligent, sensible posts on this thread again...
     
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    Again, not correct. I gave you an empirical example. You did not provide any, even beyond the Question Time audience example and, if anything, it totally undermines your point. To then try and assert that my point was "no less arbitrary" than yours is an anaemic counter-argument.
     
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  16. winifred122

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    You are, of course, entitled to your opinion....
     
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    "Steal" You are so desperate to try shoot the messenger that you are willing to sling any old lump of mud you can lay your hands on. <doh>

    Quite simply, you just can't handle the truth. Now move along, you're boring me :emoticon-0109-kiss:
     
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    Interesting. You had 2 posts to choose from and decided to totally ignore the salient one.

    Says it all really :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  19. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    ****post.
     
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    2-0 to me <party>
     
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