I think you'll find that I don't necessarily believe Cellino, I simlpy give him the benefit of the doubt. I can only make an assessment of him if I have solid facts / evidence. Sadly, there is not much of this about. The majority of the 'facts / evidence' amount to stories with no basis in fact, or opinions presented as fact. There are many people who have made up their mind about him & wish to do him harm in any way they can. These are the people who pounce on such 'facts / evidence' and lambast him at every opportunity, and I am certain that almost all of the time, no investigation is done to check the veracity of the stories. Facts tend to get in the way of a good smear. Now let me be clear about my position on this: - if there is sufficient evidence to condemn Cellino, then I will. The latest example being the 'pie tax', which I consider to be a significant commercial & PR failure on his part, and it leaves me shaking my head. - if there is evidence of (and especially a conviction for) wrongdoing, I will consider each case on its merits. For example the 'horrifying' tax evasion case he has been convicted of is a nonsense in my opinion. For instance, Richard, would you feel hard done by if you were fined for tax evasion because the accountant you paid good money to got something wrong, meaning you carry the can for his mistake? That's exactly what happened wth Cellino, but he's public enemy #1. Amazon, Costa et al have been paying less tax than you for years now! - if there is no evidence to condemn Cellino and yet the condemnation is taking place, I will do my best to point this out. This may come over as defending him, but in actual fact, I'm defending the name of justice, and the need for honest review of the situation. I do not like to see anyone villified unless there is evidence to suggest that it is warranted, rather than the current bandwagon of picking up every bit of tittle-tattle & turning it into a weapon against him without justificaton.
Well if we are wrong and we supported the team and club too much what harm will we have done ? on the other hand I think the none support and abuse of the team has cost us maybe 6-9 pts from home games alone.
But the players are only criticising the away support. Stop making it up. http://www.not606.com/threads/chesh-its-all-down-to-you.317757/
If the lazy feckers do what they're paid for and put in 100% effort in every game, regardless of results, there would be no abuse
I do think you look at things far too positively sometimes (most the time) but it doesn't mean I have any less admiration for you doing so or your belief/opinion. Personally I don't believe it has cost us any points, but it doesn't mean I am right
Well we've played the top 6,won 3,drew 1,and lost 2,10 points promotion form against the top 6.We've shown we're probably as good as any of them,now we've way under performed against the rest of the league,and having been to a fair few of the games the only noticeable difference at the games was the fan support.Coincidence maybe but I don't think so myself.
'Fraid I have to disagree with you Chesh. Let's face it, we've been up & down since pre-season, & the terracing abuse took a while to get going - certainly not in the first month of averageness. The othe point made by Eire is so true - the effort level has been awful. Like most fans, I can (sort of) forgive if everyone one the park has a 'mare & we get thrashed - as long as they can barely drag themselves into the dressing room due to exhaustion. This season I've seen too many spring lambs gamboling off the park at the end of the match. Probably expend more of their energy spending our hard-earned (and their easily-earned) money in shops, clubs etc.
I prefer it when you are on opposite sides of the argument to me. Chesh for the first time I am starting to think you could be right.
Yes we will have to disagree then,thought we played quite well in the first months home games.Burnley,Sheff wed,things started a downturn against Brentford IMO which by coincidence was when the abuse started when we didn't score early against a team everyone thought we would win at a canter.
Equally WJ, I'm not overly fussed by him (or his accountant) evading a bit of tax on a yacht and car. I am a bit nervous for his conviction (a fact to quote Rafa) for false accounting.
Hey'up Ristac, Not quite wonderfull, but I do support him and am happy to give him credit for what he has done for the club since his take over. I personally am not fussed by what he's done in past before Leeds however, the PL chose to over lap his issues into our seasons; if Cellino had been found dishonest in evading 1 dollar/lire on whatever, the PL would still ban him. If everyone on here confesses to their past misgivings it would probably make Cellino look equal based on his finances and position. Cellino will/has made mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make some more, no one is infallable, but it doesn't make him a crook. I agree with Jock, when something crops up that is totally unacceptable then he'll lose my support. Rich men all try to avoid paying tax within their circle, it's normal for them. Is it Cellino himself that the PL have it in for (Harvey was gazumped by Cellino's takeover) or is it Leeds United as a club that they don't want to lose to Prem, food for thought? As for that John Bond, does he speak for every fan on a realistic and factual basis, or is he trying to drum up support for his own agenda; I see the walk out at the Hull game went well for him.... Everyone has their own opinions on Cellino, same as they do about coaches and certain players, which I totally respect; if we all agreed on everything the forum would be boring and we'd be entertained with the details of peoples holidays, weather and the price of chips .....
The PL is irrelevant to us but last time I checked they don't apply a fit and proper or other director / owner test. Not sure why you think they can ban Cellino when we are not and are not likely to be in the PL under his own reign?
Good post that LL. Cellino is not all good or bad, few people are. Problem has been, on twitter, here and other forums, people refuse to see a middle ground. The haters just see all bad and manipulate whatever snippets that surface to suit their agenda. Personally, I dont believe well make any real progress under him but want to see what were getting instead of Cellino before throwing the baby out with the bathwater
