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We cannot buy unless we sell.!

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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    Kenny Dalglish himself said it that we need to sell some players before we can buy again.
    Not all the players we want out can command reasonable fees.
    We have a very competitive midfield now camparable to any of the traditional big four clubs, our strike force is also enviable.It seems we need at least one more player in
    the back especially left back.
    If we have to buy one or two players costing in total £M20.Assuming you are Liverpool
    manager which of the players you are going to sell to raise £M20.?:angel:
     
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  2. Bozz

    Bozz Well-Known Member

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    I think it's about trimming the wage bill. That and catering costs when Joe Cole is knocking about is horrendous
     
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  3. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    The reason we need to sell is to reduce our wage bill. We don't need to sell to raise money to buy, it is purely to lower the wage bill.

    The players we have for sale are not worth much so we wouldn't be able to raise money to buy 15 mil plus players from sales.
     
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  4. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    There are certain players earing so much money that KK knows won't even get into his 25 man squad, we need to lose them.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i think most people have it right here....

    spurs need to sell to buy as well... yet have CL money.

    simply put we've way too many guys on massive wages for doing nothing and its bad for the club so we need to move them on. we are in the nice position of being able to toss G&H's money away by taking wahtever for them.

    instances.

    Jova. if he goes he'll take a massive loss BUT if he gets it as a signing on fee it is ok. its up to him.
    Cole. same story and its entirely up to him whether he wants to kic ka ball.
    Aquilani. Nobody wants him. ergo 70k per week lost unless he plays for us our some fool makes an offer.
    Poulsen. Reputedly on massive money, he won't shift.

    that's just 4 guys who if we are to beleive the rumours represent nearly 350k of wasted moeny each and every week.
     
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  6. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    MITO.

    If you look at some of the threads on here relating to Aquilani, I'll think you'll find a considerable number of us actually want him to stay, myself included. I really do believe he has something to offer. I'd sooner Meireles went than him.
     
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  7. King_Kenny

    King_Kenny Member

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    El Zhar
    Degen
    Jones
    Poulsen
    Jovanovic
    Cole

    These are definite sales in my opinion, would probably bring in around £10m for the 6 of them but shifting Cole and Jova will put a bit of a dent in the wage bill.

    Aquilani is a difficult one cos you have to figure out whether he wants to be here or not? No doubting he's a good player but can he prove it this season? I'd say give him til January and then either keep him or ship him off for £10-12m

    Ngog is another player I'd be happy to let leave for around £4m, but we'd have to replace him. Could be given til January to prove himself in the carling cup perhaps?

    Not sure if there are still questions over Maxi wanting to return home but he could raise a few million given that he raised his stock a bit at the end of last season with his two hat-tricks?

    Meireles is another one who there was a lot of talk about during the off season. Could he still be a candidate to leave? Given my own view of what the starting line-up will be I don't think he'll start a lot of games and despite a good first season, he could find himself surplus to requirements. He could command a pretty decent fee considering we bought him for around £11m and he had a good season. I would expect £16m+
     
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  8. Jonesey

    Jonesey Well-Known Member

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    I have to say, I totally disagree with this assessment of Aquilani.

    I see him not as regular starter, but as a game changer if things aren't going our way.
     
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  9. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    Juventus, Sunderland and now Fiorentina wanted Aqua. That's not nobody.

    Coded agent quotes seem to suggest Fiorentina could still have him but the wage is the issue and with his form and JWH's Twitter backing, Liverpool don't seem perturbed if he has to stay.

    Jova seems to have been accepted as a loss and I think FSG have paid some of the wages upfront to get him to go. Having done that other players may be expecting similar offers.

    It's possible KK and SC are reporting some improvement in some of those we want to ship, such as Cole and NGog, and if we have to keep them it won't be as big a burden as it seemed two months ago. But I'm speculating on a gut feeling.

    So we may see another one or two go as FSG take a hit to get on with their plan - I don't see them letting a few mill in wages derail it for a season - but I don't think all will go now.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    lets be clear.

    1. i like aquilani

    2. juve didn't want him at the fee... fiorentina baulked at his wages and sunderland never bid... ergo who actually wants him?

    3. i still don't really know if he's in any way committed to us, the only guy talking is his agent and we all know agents.

    4. i put him in the list as he's one who was certainly on the way out. dead wood? i don't know but at 70k per week its a huges issue and why the club sent him on loan last year, hodgson didn't want him but no-one would buy so we saw him loaned out when actually he was a far better player than those left behind... all due to wages


    I hope this clarifies my position on aquilani. ie. if he wants to go get shut quick, if he really wants to stay then he should stay.

    now in my view meireles is a fantastic worker and will be a vital player for us so selling him is madness.
     
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  11. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's a semantics issue. Not bidding doesn't equate to not *wanting* him, it means they simply can't *afford* him, perhaps like you and a Ferrari. Do you not want a Ferrari?
     
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  12. steve_o_619

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    Hi, this is my first reply!

    i have to say, i think we really need aquilani to stay. I thought he looked very dangerous last season! (6 assists and 2 goals in 12 games i believe?) Especially for somebody not used to the speed of the leauge, i was very impressed.

    Also, allthough i realise it was against lower opposition, i thought he looked liverpools best player by a country mile so far in pre-season.
     
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  13. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Welcome to the board Stevo <ok>
     
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  14. KingPepeReina.

    KingPepeReina. Active Member

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    I agree 100%
    Its more to do with trimming the wage bill rather than having to sell to buy.
    Whats the point in having players on the wage bill that the manager obviously feels are surplus to requirementsIts wasting money.The money saved can be used to strengthen areas that need strengthening.
    Have you also noticed that Liverpool aren't paying the wages they were previously paying to new players.Andy Carroll is on £50k less than Torres was on.Andy Carroll is on £80k FT was on £130k.
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    semantics.... maybe so you name who wants aquilani.... i mean sure the ferrari metaphor is fine aquilani is a ferrari potentially, i think i could turn that one back on you in saying me wanting a ferrari is like accrington stanley wanting aquilani. Sunderland never bud and fiorentina are in no position to get him... juve are then bench mark and they played him all year last year and still didn't want him (badly enough)

    just my opinion. of course its not my call who the club sells thankfully so waht important is both of us agree we can buy it's just we dno't want too many players on the bboks so must move guys out to free the wages.
     
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  16. Jonesey

    Jonesey Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree with this bit, but I'd argue strongly that there are many more players in front of Aquliani who we need to get rid of before it comes round to him.

    Jova
    Poulsen
    El Zhar
    Degan
    Cole???

    To name a few.
     
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  17. Ze

    Ze Well-Known Member

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    Look how exactly do you know nobody has bid? Nobody but the club knows, and we are well within our rights to turn down offers.

    In my opinion; he is badly needed, and I would much rather loan out Shelvey and Spearing, whilst selling Meireles than just selling Aquilani.
     
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  18. KingPepeReina.

    KingPepeReina. Active Member

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    I agree with those,I reckon Joe Cole leaving depends on Luka Modric going to Chelsea.I reckon if Modric goes,Taxknapp will stump up the £6 million fee for Joe Cole.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well i can freely admit i cannot know for sure, merely make an assumption which i think is reasonable. this agent of his changes his mind every week and so i think if any bid or enquiry was made he'd be i nthe press talking it up. he does seem to be hard at work trying to make himself some more money.

    Is that reasonable to say?

    I wouldn't agree with selling meireles at all as i think he's far too valuable to us in a more deep laying role. I would agree thoughtat seeing shelvey loanded owuld be good. And I would agree that (as stated above) if aquilani wants to play and is willing to work to stay not just to engineer a move that he would be potentially fantastic for us. Someone mentioned the words "game changer" earlier. I think he's got more about him than joe cole to do that.

    I think modric to cheslea will happen within 2 weeks and then cole will join the ranks of the spuds, i don't want to strengthen their hand but i don't see cole giving them much.
     
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  20. Neither here or there

    Neither here or there Active Member

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    Would joe cole take a paycut to join spurs, given they have a lower wage structure?
     
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