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  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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    I think possession stats of 35% - 65% tell the story of who was on top for the majority of the game. Unfortunately for us, we failed to convert our superiority into a win. It's far from the only time that's happened this season and something we need to put right.
     
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    I'm not sure what the relevance of the MOTM award is with regards to who the better team was.
    I've seen teams get absolutely battered and lose, with the award going to their keeper or a centre-half.

    Just going by the statistics, Spurs had much more possession, more shots, more on target and more corners.
    I think that's as illustrative of the styles of play as anything, though.
     
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    You're criticising me for selective use of history and you've done exactly the same thing! <laugh>

    Somebody asked a question and I answered it. What's your excuse?
     
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    If it involves his obsession with Spurs, he doesn't need one!
     
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    ... but it went to one of our flair, offensive, players ... your contender was arguably Hugo Lloris for that save at the end ...so that one is put to bed methinks... and as for statistics ... especially the possession myth

    ... we've had less possession in all of our games than the oppositio this season ... including at two 3-0 away wins ... what we have done consistently is to have created more clear cut chances - and we've scored more goals than anyone.from them.

    Now I was at the game - and like most Leicester fans came away from it feeling frustrated that we hadn't won it ... you scored a scrambled goal that we should perhaps have cleared before it got to Alli (our defence was not as good then as it is now) ... we scored a cracker in response amd your goalkeeper earned you a point with a far better save than any Kasper had to make on the day ...

    I was only really contesting the 'lucky point' comment ... our point wasn't lucky it was fully deserved.
     
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    I'd have to disagree, we had more than enough superiority to have finished you off much earlier. That we failed to do so is a failing I've already alluded to.
     
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    This is all rather undermined by the fact that you think that Mahrez and Vardy are slightly ahead of Messi and Ronaldo in football's pecking order, though!<laugh>

    The first half was relatively even, but you got progressively more knackered as the game went on.
    There was only one team that looked like going ahead in that half until we scored, then we went to sleep from the kick-off and gifted you an equaliser.
    Our fitness levels weren't up to scratch, due to a poorly organised pre-season, we were missing players and it looked like it.
    The idea that you deserved to win seems to be the product of your imagination though, to be honest. That's not what was being said at the time.
     
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    They got lucky once...doubt it happens again.
     
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    ... hmmm wasn't there also an FA Cup tie at your place last season? ... didn't we get lucky then too? <laugh>
     
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    Yes..we obviously couldn't be bothered...hence allowing you two quick goals..just before full time. No other reason for it.
     
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    ... on the contrary Spudulika ...it seems to be a product of yours <laugh> ... I commented that we fully deserved our point not that we deserved to win ... I would also take issue on our fitness levels fading .. one of our strenghts all season has been that we keep our relentless pace going even into injury time - just ask the Saints - a fact further suported by Lloris having to make his point saving stop right at the death

    As to the Messi and Ronaldo allusion <laugh> ... now you're just being silly <laugh> ... unless of course you can point me to where I - or indeed any other Leicester fan - has made such claims?
     
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  13. NSIS

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    Another game we dominated and failed to finish off the opposition, then paid for it later.
     
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    You've relentlessly posted stuff about Mahrez and Vardy being in the top performers in Europe, but I was clearly joking, as indicated by the smiley.

    Claiming that you couldn't have faded because you didn't in other games is just irrelevant.
    Our fitness levels have constantly been hailed by the press, but there have been a few games when we've run out of steam.
    It tends to be when we've had a quick run of games, though.

    Ranieri's substitutions prior to our goal were defensive (Inler for Drinkwater, Kante for Albrighton) and showed the way that the game was going.
    There's not really much point in discussing it, though.
     
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    Again you are putting words in my mouth rather than reading what I've actually put ... personally I didn't notice us fading we were going for the win like we always do and we keep on right to the end ... as evidenced by the Lloris stop.

    I take the point on the articles I've posted on Mahrez and Vards .. but they were posted firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'

    On Ranieri's substitutions - Inler for Drinky is somewhat like for like and the home crowd were also desperate to get a glimpse of the new 'marquee' signing ... as for Kante being a defensive substitution <doh> ... he is arguably the most energetic player we have and has set up several goals with his box to box running ... two against the Swans at the weekend! ... more energy perhaps - defensive? ... we don't really do that <laugh>...
     
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    A lot of these stats are bunk.

    If your game plan is to play on the counter, you will concede possession at times quite happily.

    Is one well worked shot on target leading to a goal better than 20 hopeful pot shots from 30 yards?

    Most stats are a crude measure of quantity, but not quality.
     
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  17. NSIS

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    Agreed, to an extent. However possession, whilst not being everything, is important. Simply, if you haven't got the ball you can't score.
     
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    I already pointed out that the stats are pretty typical for both sides, due to our styles of play.
    Leicester play on the counter, while we have good possession and pressurise other sides into making mistakes and losing the ball.
    I said that you were fading before the subs and the goals, which you were.
    I don't see what the reference to other games is, unless it's an attempt to dispute it.

    Inler's a holding player, while Drinkwater's more creative. Kante's a central midfielder, while Albrighton's a winger.
    That's a defensive move. It's adding fresh legs, sure, but it's not like-for-like or adding firepower, is it?
    He shored up the centre of the park and I was quite surprised that he didn't do it earlier.
     
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    So you now our team better than us! <laugh> ... Drinky is more of a holding midfielder than Kante .. Kante gallops forward in support of the forwards at every opportunity - the fact that he has won more tackles than any other Prem player might mislead non-Leicester fans into thinking he is primarily an enforcer - that is merely one facet of his game .. Albrighton is probably our most substituted player ... generally around the same time that he went off against you - in the last two games he has come off for Schlupp - not to go more defensive - more to change the way in which we will continue to attack ... if you look at how many goals we have actually scored in the last quarter of games it clearly exposes the flaws in your argument ... the reality is that we never stop looking to attack - even when we are 3 goals up ... that's partly down to the fact that we reallise we do not have the best defence in the league and that the best way to protect it is to have the opposition having to defend.

    Article on Kante for your delectation ... note particularly the bit about his and Drinky's interaction ...

    http://www.squawka.com/news/king-kante-the-unsung-hero-of-leicesters-flying-start/539850
     
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  20. Stats... schmats! (as us Yids like to say).

    I'm looking forward to meeting Leicester again, and to ripping their tiny little world apart!

    Same with United and 'Pool.
     
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