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Match Day Thread Manchester United v West Ham

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Chief, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. cytrax

    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    We've got ourselves in a slump as an football clu
    Please! We've had worse players play at this so called No. 10. Cleverly was Fergie's poster child for long time. Rooney is out. Herrera is out. We have no natural right wing players so it made sense to play Mata there. There aren't that many options left.
     
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  2. Stan

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    We looked much better with Mata at 10 and Lingard and Depay on the wings. If we have no right wingers then there's only one man to blame or is that deficiency in the squad also the fault of the players?
     
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    Funny how you guys are more angrier with LVG than we are with Jose despite the league table.

    Pedro was half decent in a dreadful Chelsea side yesterday. Think he would do really well in a decent side. How did Martial play yesterday?
     
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  4. Stan

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    Martial was one of the few bright spots and was unlucky not to score. I'm surprised he's still in the team as his first thought is always to attack!

    I thought Pedro was dreadful yesterday. Very lightweight, surrenders possession easily (which is odd for a Barca player) and seemingly frightened to shoot. Like a more willing but even ****ter version of Hazard! I think, like Hazard, he'll be off in the summer as he didn't move to Chelsea to be a bit part player in a mid table team.
     
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  5. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    To be fair, you follow Chelsea far more closely than any Chelsea fan I know, so I will bow to your superior research ;)
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    I fail to see why Ferguson is constantly referred back to as comparison. Fergie had unlimited credit in the bank for when he made mistakes, van Gaal has none.

    Why not compare to the previous manager instead? When he lost the players it was his fault, not the players. We he lost the crowd it was his fault, not the crowds.

    I can tell you with absolute certainly that both of those things are happening with van Gaal.
     
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  7. cytrax

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    You mean you expect the manager to drop him because he wants to attack? Doesn't this go back to players accountability that I talked about. Yet you seem to insinuate that any attacking player is told to pass the ball back instead of going forward. Why the heck do you think any manager that wants to keep his job want that? Same goes for Lingard. He strives to go forward yet he continues to be picked. But that also goes unnoticed.
     
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  8. cytrax

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    I don't think there's much to say about Moyes era, Chief. Players were duff and manager had no idea what he wanted from the team nor was he able to articulate his vision to the press. LVG has a vision but it is proving hard to implement. Nonetheless, the foundation is there and the squad is fairly young. Whoever comes in next will have solid tools to work with.

    As for the crowd; combination of multiple things there. Ex players started this trend of piling on the pressure. It has worked beautifully. Players' heads are fked finally and manager has no clue how to snap them out of it. I'm not excusing LVG by any means, but we have collectively got ourselves in a negative trend. Amazingly, many of them never said a word when Moyes was the manager. They always offered him support.
     
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  9. Stan

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    Whoosh!
     
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  10. Stan

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    Ironic given you're posting in a United match day thread on the United board!
     
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    The reason why the manager shoulders the blame (for me anyway) is three-fold. Firstly, the way any team plays IS a reflection of the manager. No other team in the world plays in the way we do, none! That's all about tactics which leads on to my second point. Our games take a familiar approach every time. First half is dire, slow, cumbersome "possession without purpose" football. Then at some point during the 2nd half, everyone steps up a gear and begins to ping the ball out wide for someone to start putting the crosses in. Once again, the fact this is now becoming a hallmark of every game suggest this is tactical. Finally, if you are right, and this is not what LVG wants, then why does he NEVER stand in his technical area and give instructions. I'm not even asking him to scream or shout, or go ballistic. Simply to give instructions... even to his captain or other players on the pitch during substitutions. Instead, what we see is an observer. Someone who's analysing his tactics, and is either happy or unhappy that what HE has asked is being delivered by his players.
     
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    The way he just sits there like he's watching a musical is quite irritating.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with your point there. Given the fact that the game is ever evolving, a manager must be an active part of that process. You can't fkin observe for 90minutes with pen and paper to be analyzed after the game. That's pointless. The point of observing from outside the pitch should be to be able to see what needs changing and switching up the tactics really quickly during plays.

    These are the kind of points that we should articulate out rather than just summarizing it up with one liners. Not that I think our shht here makes a difference but you just never know.
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    1, the only difference between the two. Bar the vast sums spent of course. The players are still duff and the manger still has no idea, bar an alleged 'philosophy'

    2, and quite rightly. They knew the magnitude of the job. Shame a lot of others didn't.
    I think the reason they are speaking out now, as myself and a large amount of others are, is; what ****ing philosophy? Aren't you meant to be actually doing something with this team?

    I didn't go to yesterday's game and nor did I watch it in full but two mates did and I trust their opinion over anyone who might have caught an internet stream every day of the week.
     
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    Chief's 2 mates at the game yesterday...

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    :bandit:
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    I think that refers more to our CM partnership.
     
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    "To me", "To you" ...Van Gaal's footballing philosophy in a nutshell.
     
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    Anyone pleased to see Varela get some game time yesterday? I was quite happy with what I saw of him.
     
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    He was poor and gave away a daft free kick just outside the box. Why was McNair selected/substituted?
     
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    I thought McNair was starting as a CH, never expected the best LB we had available to play CH and the best RB to play LB so the youngest CH could play RB. Very strange juggling :huh:
     
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