Bombing IS in Syria approved by MPs...

I'm hardly going to be convinced i'm wrong by people who think that "Cardew gaylord" is comedy gold

 

And who are they getting away from - the ones being targeted by the military now - take no action many thousands more will flee - the problem do not negotiate

 

Hmm -3 wiise monkeys spring to mind -

 

and how do we do that?

 

Countries are still going to buy it from ISIS regardless. Just like Turkey has been doing even though they know it's naughty.

 

ISIS will take that oil and sell it regardless of any country saying stop, and they'll shift it.

 

I misread it mate. Countries are always going to buy it from ISIS because it's so cheap. Money is the devil.

 

Utterly astonishing to say that countries will buy ISIS oil regardless. It's as if sanctions have never been placed on other countries before. This can't go anywhere if that's your mentality, so I'm out. Won't be checking this thread again.

 

Exactly. It's black gold, a prized commodity. Sell it cheep and they'll always be takers.

 

Turkey are doing it now and they are bombing them! 'Utterly astonishing' but true.

 

But what sanctions have we put Turkey under? None. Countries bow to pressure from more powerful nations when they start imposing sanctions such as trade, export, bank transfer and a zillion others. To say countries will just keep on buying ISIS oil no matter what we do is incredibly blind sighted and like I say, there's no debate to be had here if that's the basis you are working on. We'll have to just leave it that we disagree.

 

Very true..

 

I've got my own views which I'm expressing (debating), it's not going along the lines of your thinking so you are closing the debate.

There's debate here, you just don't want it.

 

The issues with Turkey are extremely complex with them being a huge Islamic nation that is also a democracy.. Western nations tend to bend over backwards to keep them on side..

 

Who is going to impose these sanctions and how?

 

Exactly but this is the problem..when we stop doing that for these pseudo Islamic countries that are actually far more Westernised...we might be able to find better solutions than bombing the **** out of places. DO you think Turkey would continue buying ISIS oil if western nations such as UK, USA, Russia, France, Italy and Germany cut off trade channels with them? That would be the vast majority of their imports and exports. They'd soon backtrack and I can't really believe that there's anyone who genuinely thinks they wouldn't...

 

Let's start with Turkey. I'll have a read up on some exact figures but USA, UK, Germany, Italy, France and Russia will make up the vast majority of their imports and exports. If all those countries agreed to offer Turkey an ultimatum...stop buying ISIS oil or we cut trade channels...do you think Turkey would give in or tell us to jog on?

 

Of course we have to close these loopholes to stop them financing their weapons etc, but this will take time. In the meantime people are being slaughtered now, so in the sort term the bombing is sadly unavoidable..

 

That's a slightly different argument. The bombings aren't being offered as a temporary measure, they're being offered as the solution. I'm saying that political muscle flexing would be better and in my opinion more effective in weakening ISIS, before a ground assault a while from now when ISIS are demoralised and under-equipped.

 

Quick google mate and not the most in depth analysis but:
The top export destinations of Turkey are Germany ($15.5B), Iraq($11.9B), the United Kingdom ($8.92B), France ($7.7B) and Italy ($7.26B). The top import origins are Germany ($25.8B), China ($24.3B), Russia($14.5B), Italy ($13.2B) and the United States ($12.1B).

There's little we could do about the likes of China and Iraq. But it would be very easy to form alliance with the other nations on that list to put trade sanctions/total trade block on Turkey.