In case I somehow haven't made it abundantly clear - I want nothing more than for every ISIS member or sympathiser to be wiped off the face of the earth.
I would rather 1000 of our own die as to....... Die you hippy freak. Many will take care of Meg...... ****
There are numerous alternatives ranging from mass invasion to cutting off weapons and financial supply by tightening down on the Saudis and Qataris. Stopping the Turks buying Syrian oil. I can accept people believing bombing is the best option but I'm frankly amazed that there are people who think it's the only option.
But I never wished death on anyone and have nothing but respect for our troops who are willing to risk their lives for others I admit I worded that poorly but no amount of misinterpretation could lead you to think that I wished death on anyone, that's just you being a tit.
Knobhead. Its all there for pwiple to see. Id rather 1000 of our own army etc etc. You are just a ****. Just die.
It's not the only option but it more or less guarantees that none of our soldiers will get their heads cut off. Let me ask you this, if people were cutting people's heads off in your home town would you go about your daily life as if nothing is happening? No you'd run for the hills. We shouldn't be feeling sorry for stubborn ****ing home proud dickheads. Assad should be taking care of his people, he's not, so he's ****ing next, whatever it takes, that slimy ****ing rat faced bastard will be left with nothing but a dust bowl.
People are running for the hills, they're called refugees, thousands are dying trying to get away and most people are wishing they'd **** off back where they came from? This is the mentality that I'm talking about though. I'm not criticising you Terry but you mention in your post that bombing is the way that "none of OUR soldiers get their heads cut off." It's coming from a position of British / Western life having greater importance than others. It's a viewpoint I understand but not one I agree with.
OK, so we mass invade with tanks etc. How do we identify the ISIS operatives? They don't wear a uniform or badge. They blend in & use civilians as human shields, quite often placing bases near hospitals or schools. We've cut off a major weapons supply route from Iraq into Syria due to successful air strikes. Time will tell if it has any effect. Can't see much of the west laying down the law to the Saudi's. How you gonna stop the Turks buying Syrian oil? That would cause more political turmoil in an already volatile area.
Because of the legality. Everybody knows Cameron wanted in there 3 years ago. We've been bombing Iraq for months. Whether you're comfortable or not there's only two choices, bury your head and innocents continue to die, both in the west and the middle east indefinitely. Or we try and do something about it and innocents continue to die both in the west and the middle east but we might just weaken IS enough to halt their progression and send them back 'underground'. If we're going to do something about it, tactically the only option is to weaken the infrastructure with air strikes. War is rarely ideal but setting our tactics to weaken us from the off to spare innocent lives which won't necessarily be spared anyway is demented imo. Longer wars cost more lives, without the air strikes this could last decades.
If we can't identify ISIS operatives then literally the only way of taking them out is by blanket bombing entire areas? Is this the method you support? It's widely understood that Saudi and Qatar and UAE etc has a large responsibility for arming and funding ISIS. That's where we need to focus, not Iraq. I'm pretty sure we have the political weight to demand Turkey stop buying oil from ISIS tbh.
It's not coming from that view point at all. There are families who refuse to move, your argument is based on what you think is happening... Where's your info coming from? I know a Syrian bloke who told me just last week his mother and father and other family members are going to die in their country because they refuse to leave and he's just waiting for the news every day that terrorists have killed his family. Not wanting British soldiers to risk their lives for these sort of people is sensible in my opinion, I just hope these sort of people die by getting a pave way to the face rather than being killed by Isis brutally and without mercy. You're arguing with 3 ex military here, you're pissing in the wind pal, sorry.
Cardew abd his hippy train are nusso synpatht do gooders. A threat to security. Plus he looks ike a young freddy mercury. Ragging i tell you. He.s a raging. ..
Best tactic.. for winning this war as quickly as possible, which is without doubt the best way to conserve innocent lives for years to come. End game please. Eye on the prize so to speak.
See that's an argument I have no issue with whatsoever but I just don't accept that the only viable military option is bombing. Absolutely not. It's one of many options and the one that means minimal Western loss of life. If that's the priority, then yes, bombing is the only option. I don't have my head buried in the sand in any way by the way and don't appreciate the comment that I do that you've made a couple of times now. I know the risks and consequences of all the different options
True but there are so many issues we don't know about - more problems up in Turkey very soon - seems to be a lot of unease there simmering away - what with their perceived good kurds & bad kurds and Turkmen & Russia - there will be others - watch this space Also the people in Daish territory are also getting sick of their harsh treatment - unexpected things to come
Yes but people have nowhere to go? if they did, thousands wouldn't be dying trying to get away would they? With all due respect, being ex military doesn't give you cart blanche on all military discussion and in many ways it's hard to separate yourself from something you've been personally involved with. It's inevitable what the thoughts of pretty much every ex or current serviceman will be on the matter.
