Off Topic Political Debate

I once read a science fiction story where democracy and the use of computers had led to a society where once every say 5 years the computer came up with the name of just one individual - that person was scientifically computed to be that year's absolutely representative voter. So the election was that one person casting one vote to decide it all. It would then be known as the Leo, or Toby or Cologne election. (My memory may be playing tricks but I think anyone with super in their name was automatically discounted )

 

None of your suggested policies will happen.

Corbyn is no threat to the government, in fact he has currently divided the supposed opposition party and made them a laughing stock. I would be surprised if he survived next year's elections.

 

Best to stick with non fiction, it is more accurate.

 

Your way of voting makes sense in a first past the post system. If your person cannot win at least you may be able to stop the worst alternative.
I like Corbyn because he has principles - as does Hilary Benn and his father before him - the person I really dislike at the moment is Andy (I'm all things to all people) Burnham. Thank goodness he did not win the leadership.
The Guardian want a Labour government and do not see Corbyn as the man to deliver it so it is no surprise they oppose him. They are soft Labour

 

Go away you weasely selfish little WUM, I have nothing to discuss with you

 

This is what gets me, everyone saying 'Corbyn can't win', do they sell crystal balls on Amazon now?

After another 4-5 years of the Tories ripping this country to shreds I reckon the electorate would be ready to vote for anyone to stop them retaining power, the Lib Dems are a shambles and luckily most of this country isn't racist so UKIP won't get in.

I voted for Milliband even though I disliked him and his Blair-lite policies, maybe things will work the other way round at the next election, and Labour-lite voters will vote for Corbyn even though they don't agree with him.

I refuse to live in the UK until things change. I've only been back in France for a month and the difference in quality of life is astounding, even though my UK mates were all relatively high earners and my French friends aren't.

The sad thing is that the richest few can't ever be rich enough, so nothing will ever change

 

I'm not sure about the media Leo......they like someone who talks to them and gives interviews (and all newspapers are alike in that respect) but Corbyn doesn't do this. Whether it's because he wants to rely on a new (less media orientated) style of politics or because he simply doesn't trust them I don't know. It's something he needs to change because standing on boxes and talking to large crowds doesn't work any more - he needs a more effective mouthpiece because the difference between what he actually says and what is reported is staggering. Rather sad that the Green Party percentage went down in Oldham (and Greens actually vote in all elections) which implies that they may be sqeezed out by Corbyn's leadership of Labour - and we need a 'Green' alternative.

 

Maybe your relatively poor French friends should blame the French government's left wing policies for high taxation and the high unemployment rate. Hollande is another leftie on borrowed time.

 

We have missed your insults!!.

 

No crystal balls - but people have opinions and predictions about the future as you show yourself in estimating the electorate's attitude in 4-5 years time. Personally I think Corbyn is intelligent and will learn quickly. Whether that will be enough for Labour to win is another matter

 

Or maybe the electorate are beginning to see through the green fraud and duplicity of morals within the movement supporting big business wind power that is turning the lights out and pretending biomass is good. Maybe the electorate do not want to return to the middle ages and give up long healthy lives to live in caves around wood fires? Even better they are actually believing that terrorism is a greater threat to the world than a dubious message on climate? You can pick any one of a number of reasons why the "green" movement are due to be consigned to the extreme sidelines to join the likes of screaming lord sutch in terms of credibility.

 

I thought we had all agreed that hurling personal abuse damages this thread. Can we not avoid personal attacks? I am not sure if Hornette still mods this board nor whether Dan has agreed to resume modding but we do not need today's levels of personal attack. If we can't keep our digs at each other mild and friendly then this thread will indeed be as toxic as Yorkie already states it is.

 

Where are personal attacks? I see a couple of posts by a member I'm ignoring so no idea of their content or who it is.

 

That wasn't aimed at you Leo, it's a general consensus that seems to have formed and I honestly don't understand how people can be so certain of it.

As for the 'personal attacks' part, I'm not going to answer anything 'it' posts, I have no time for silly little adult WUMs.

The Tories' actions over the next few years will do the trick, once everything is sold off and the country is in tatters I doubt BoJo or Gideon will stand much of a chance...

 

I am still here Leonardo, and yes, personal attacks are unnecessary and avoidable so won't be acceptable.

 

I realised the crystal ball was a general point - but just feel it is what people do - Corbyn has come in - is very different (oh what a surprise) and so gets bullied. As many would agree the press is mostly Tory sympathising as a start point and they see it as fun and a way to sell papers. As I consider all papers trash I don't buy any.
I understand your perspective on SH. Personally I wish things were different but if you focus purely on points made it is easy to demonstrate that he argues from a very narrow perspective and does not ever really try to present or defend points he makes. HIs predictions have proved 99% incorrect and he does add a perspective that nobody else on here voices. Regard him as our tame WUM -and if you were a Douglas Adams fan you might recognise the description "mostly harmless"
I personally doubt the country will be much different in 5 years to how it is now - although exit from the EU might alter that opinion for me.

 

Great to have you overseeing H - totally confident you will keep us all in order

 

I won't interact with SH if he stops quoting my posts, you may see him as harmless but I get annoyed by the daily insults to things I believe in. If he was trying to create any form of debate I wouldn't mind so much (I fundamentally disagree with Aberdeen but at least he tries to argue/defend his beliefs).

Exit from the EU is a weird one, I've always been a fan but the TTIP agreements might be enough for me to hate the EU...Not sure what to want anymore...

 

Thanks Leonardo . Always hovering like the silent assassin lol

 

It's imperative we leave the EU imo. I'm not a political bunny but even u can see the damage it does and continues to threaten. How can it be right to even consider letting Turkey join for example. The sooner we are out, the better.

(and that, dear friends, is as deep and political as i get! Lol)