I don't know if any on you guys have been watching this Channel 4 mini series but it is a superb piece of television. It tells the story of the investigation into the murder of a young guy in St Pauls. He was apparently living a "British" life by attending college and planning to get married. As it unravels it does however demonstrate the inherent "us and them" culture which is often misguidedly levelled at all Muslims after recent events. This apparently well adapted young man was asked by his mates to get a gun and went ahead and tried to secure same but then it seems got cold feet and this resulted in his murder. The perpetrator's estranged parents then conspired to get him out of the country. To me it all demonstrated what a long way we have to go to achieve integration. One of the coppers summed it up nicely, to us the three Rs means something whereas to minority groups it often means something different viz Revenue, Revenge and Respect. I think we all need to be more tolerant and understanding and realise that change is probably a generational thing rather something which can be achieved overnight. The story does of course leave some questions but to me shows the need for greater tolerance and understanding from all creeds
I haven't seen it, but I think you'll find that our generation, and those of our parents and grandparents were relatively tolerant overall of other cultures and creeds that arrived here, but where has it got us ? It has (avoidably) resulted in a British society which is full of increased suspicion, hatred, plotting, murder and hostility, and this is the direct result of unlimited immigration during the 1990's due to the then Labour governments short sightedness and stupidity, and allowing these people to flood into our country and to now dictate how WE should feel ?? That is so far wide of the mark it's perverse. Others creeds coming here to integrate need to be tolerant of our largely peaceable way of life. Granted we unfortunately don't have Sharia Law (yet), public floggings/stoning people to death, hangings, and all of the other lovely things in other areas of the world, but they can always go back if they miss them. Look how tolerant the Saudi's are to people who steal, drink alcohol and commit adultery within their borders. As a Brit would you be allowed to go there and demand that they change their laws and way of life because you don't agree with them having 7 Wives ? And look how the Australians get it right in (my opinion) by saying to the non Christian people who started moaning 'put up or shut up. If you don't like it here then no-one is stopping you from leaving and we suggest that you do, sooner rather than later' The world HAS gone mad.
Agreed but it could be worse . We could have a Rovers supporter as the Prime Minister .As regards the Saudis what did we do recently when some old codger (sorry senior citizen) started brewing his own. We said gosh shock horror and managed to get him out. When in Rome .........
Trust me here but the world wide refugee crisis will only bring heartache. Essentially we are welcoming people from countries that have never had stability or peace due to the fact that they are made up of warring tribes (different religious beliefs) and the continuance of their hatred for one another will continue it's path of evil intent long after they have been given a council house in the U.K. There are certain troubled areas in the world that should not be assisted until they show firm proof that they are prepared to help themselves first. Just take a look at all the conflicts of the recent past and tell me they weren't religiously motivated and when you throw greed and corruption into the mix you have volatile Molotov cocktail coming your way. Greed and corruption are the suppliers of weaponry that fuel these conflicts and until the backers of this kind of terrorism are stopped we have no hope of seeing hope for the future. Wanting to accept real refugees is a credit but be careful what you wish for because ethnic/religious integration, especially with certain religions, will always be a hopeless venture and you only have to look at the countries creating these refugees to get the message. I appreciate your concerns HANDY but there are some situations that will never be resolved until an entire generation has passed without confrontation, so inviting them to come and live with you in the name of ethnic diversity is doomed to failure.
Inver agreed "Greed and corruption are the suppliers of weaponry that fuel these conflicts and until the backers of this kind of terrorism are stopped we have no hope of seeing hope for the future" but read on 10 facts about UK armaments industry. 1. The UK is the second largest defence exporter in the world, after the US. 2. 10 of the world’s top 100 arms producers, measured by sales, are British registered companies. This includes big names such as BAE Systems, Rolls Royce and Serco. 3. Arms industry compromise less than 0.7% of UK workforce, but around 7% of all manufacturing jobs. 4. Over 400 businesses in the UK are directly to the arms trade. Includes many international companies, including the American Lockhead Martin (the world’s largest arms manufacturer) and Israel’s Elbit Systems. 5. There are more than 3,000 government-approved export licences, worth over £12bn in total, including contracts with: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Iran and Russia 6. Britain has its own dedicated UK Trade and Investment department, the Defence and Security Organisation, to promote arms exports. It employs more than 130 staff. 7. According to the Government’s own UK Trade and Investment report, the UK’s most important markets for 2013 were ‘the Middle East, the USA, Norway and the Republic of Korea’ 8. The arms trade costs the taxpayer an estimated £760 million every year through government subsidies. This includes funding for: research and development, marketing and export credit guarantees. 9. Notable UK defence exports include a 4.4bn typhoon aircraft order from Saudi Arabia, which made the UK the world’s largest exporter for 2007. 10. Within the backdrop of the most recent conflict in Gaza, the British Government has faced criticism for its strong trade links with Israel. This includes a lucrative programme between the MoD and Israel’s Elbit Systems to develop unmanned drones – one of the 12 licences that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills refused to revoke following pressure from the NGO, Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT), who have subsequently begun taking legal action. Some info a little dated but food for thought? People in glass houses.......
Great information and it makes you wonder whether there are any innocents in the whole situation. Glass houses indeed.
Personally I think he was stupid and should have been left to rot over there. When in Rome indeed. If you don't like, or cant abide by the rules, then don't play the game.
The thing that "shocked the world" was the sentence of lashes. Every legal system has its remedies/sanctions and that's one of theirs. Amen
That's why the thread was off topic. Having said that when it comes to discussing international goings on (as opposed to BCFC) at least it generates some passion and debate.
