Off Topic France under attack

Yes ! they think the world is their toy to play with and carve up as they please and we are not invited unless there is a buck or strategic gain in it for them ! Always have always will. Trust none of the ****ers when they talk they hide a hundred lies behind their contemptible smiles for us !
They have nothing to fear as they always get away with murder using scapegoats and their media propaganda machines, and a crowd of protesters waving banners gives them a right good laugh ! The internet has woken a lot up to how they work but not enough sheep have opened their eyes yet !

 

I wonder if anyone will be allowed or to scared to make a big Hollywood blockbuster film about all that`s gone on since pre 911 ?

Under fiction ?

The yanks allow the Arabs to do the donkey work for their oil as long as they only trade in petro dollars to ensure USA`s super power status !

A few Arabs call them Sandman and Gandalffi say fek that we want a bigger cut so we will use our own currency made of gold to ensure its success !

Yanks lead by an oil baron are worried so make up a reason to attack Sandman and later Gandalffi , but what reason could they have to get the ok from the people and the ones they need to send over there to do the fighting ?
Maybe the biggest terror attack ever on their home soil plus a rumor about WMD`s might do the trick, and get their blood boiling to unreasonable levels ?

Go get the oil ! while liberating the Arabs with bombing and killing them !
Bump off Sandman and Gandalffi destabilizing the whole region for decades to come !
Opening a can of worms they can never get the lid back onto !

Play policeman of the world to get the oil so they can keep theirs in reserve for much later ensuring super power status long term against the rise of other new and old super powers ! Stir things up so everyone hates or distrusts each other distracting them from the long term bigger picture.

Nobody lives happily ever after, the end.

 

I came across this, cant verify it but i would`nt be supprised if its genuine would you ?

Words from a member of the U.S. Army.

'I don't typically go on rants or express my political beliefs here, but I just have to get this off my mind. As some of you know, I'm active duty Army. Aside from that, I am a medic. I've spent 3 years of my life overseas in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I've seen some pretty atrocious sites caused by war, from both sides. I've picked up blown up body parts of friends and I've saved the lives of guys who were trying to kill me and my guys right before I was keeping them from their 72 virgins or whatever they believe awaits them on the other side.

Here is an unbiased truthful view to the Syrian refugee situation. My first deployment to Iraq, in 2006, my unit voluntarily ran a childrens burn clinic outside of the FOB. It was a constant target for attacks. You would think that people wouldn't shoot mortars or rockets at their own children, but you would be wrong. We saw hundreds of children, from infants to 18 year olds. The overwhelming majority of the kids we saw (90% or better) were clear cases of abuse. These parents were literally dunking their kids in boiling water, or throwing hot chai at their kids faces... Yes, we're talking about babies, toddlers, kids not even old enough to understand why their parents would do these things to them. HUNDREDS of kids... We saw quite a few of these kids that were sexually abused, both girls and boys. Their parents acted if nothing was wrong with this, even when confronted by our doctors.

This is the mentality of their society, not the viewpoint of a few individuals... these beliefs have been accepted to the vast majority of these people. Many were educated, well dressed, well spoken men, but yet, they still raped their own children, and kept chai boys (if you don't know what that means, google it.) During that deployment, we also captured the 3rd largest EFP cache that had ever been captured. There were hundreds of copper plates, homemade explosives, fake curbs to house the EFP's, hundreds of mortars and rockets and howitzer rounds, even an anti-aircraft gun. All of these things came from one place, Syria. Almost every single IED or EFP we found or hit could be traced back to Syria... A lot of the terrorists we captured were from SYRIA... Imagine that.

Fast forward a couple years, and I find myself in Helmand Province, in Afghanistan... We had a group of Afghani's that were paid to help guard our little mud hut in the middle of an Afghan village (I wasn't on a fob) These guys also kept a "chai boy" A boy, about 11 years old, who was there to serve these guys sexually. We heard him being sexually assaulted many times, but there was nothing we could do about it. We asked the police, the Afghan Army, and we were told the same thing every time.... it's their culture, and accepted as the norm.... Once again, we captured Syrian made explosives, weapons, and other items... We found Syrian passports during raids... And people out there want us to let these people into the US, with our kids, and near our wives. Near our schools, near our churches, synogogues, malls. Places where we should never have to fear being blown up, shot, kidnapped and tortured... Don't forget what they did to the Egyptian Coptic Christians, or the Jordanian pilot...

Don't forget about what they do to rape victims! They stone these women to death for being raped! They behead their own people. Do you think they will show mercy to you? Look at the rape statistics in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium. Facts don't lie... 97% of rapes committed in Sweden were committed by Muslim immigrants... And you want 10,000 of these people here? Even if just 1% of these so called "refugees" were ISIS supporters or active ISIS terrorists, would that be acceptable to you? Chew on it... think about it. Take a good look at your kids or your wife and decide if the risk is worth taking.

 

Re the sex abuse of young boys, I've seen that article before and apparently it is genuine. If Islam is backward in the West it's positively Medieval in Afghanistan.

Re bombing....we are where we are. I get this from conspiracy theorists all the time and I'm tired of arguing about it to be honest. They are more concerned with pushing the imperialist white guilt agenda than actually solving the current problem. "It's all our fault. Look at our imperial past. We created ISIS...etc..." Look, ISIS was NOT "created" by the West. That's bollocks. It grew out of the remnants of Saddam's forces after the war so we CONTRIBUTED to it indirectly through that war. We were then happy to arm rebel groups with a view to ousting Assad and some went off and joined ISIS, so yes we CONTRIBUTED to ISIS again. But use of the word "created" is just plain wrong because that implies control and we deserve what we get as a result. Whatever the case, it's clear they are out of control. Even if you disagree with me how does hand-wringing help get rid of them? Of course, it won't.

Bottom line is that if we coordinate attacks we can definitely help degrade ISIS - the military experts have said this. If we do nothing we look weak and pathetic (not least to our sworn enemy) whilst definitely not solving anything. What's obvious is that, like in Parliament, this subject was always going to be divisive.

 

Just to clarify that ISIS was born from the remnants of Saddam's Military, ISIS has many of his old Generals within it's ranks, and thousands of his old foot soldiers, many members of the old ba'ath party................




ISIS is a money making war machine that has no regard for the population sheep of any nation.

 

Conspiracy theorists? That's a convenient label to try to dismiss Western foreign policy in the Middle East over the last couple of centuries.

"Solving the current problem" will only be achieved when the West takes responsibility for carving up the Middle East for it's own commercial interests, imposing rogue puppet dictators, crushing local uprisings by force, imposing a new state while displacing the native Arabs and creaming off Middle Eastern oil.

Try looking at a map of Syria and Iraq BEFORE the French and British carved it up, it may help you understand what ISIS is all about. Then try turning the tables. How would YOU feel if the Arabs had done all of the above to Europe? Suddenly the "terrorists" become "Freedom fighters".

You may try to dismiss them, and be happy that more bombs are dropped in the Middle East in the name of Great Britain, but it will only continue and further radicalise those folks subjected to British colonial rule.

 

Congratulations to all on this thread. You've got what you wished for.

 

Actually, there is divided opinion, but thanks for the congratulations.

PGF. So the UK wears sackcloth and ashes, apologises for the dreadful country we are, grovels over our imperial past and how we "carved up" the Middle East and then hope ISIS goes away. Reality check! They won't! ISIS isn't "all about" that, it's about Islam in its purest form and they won't stop until they have their caliphate and everyone in the world submits to Allah or dies if they refuse.

But your comment is as close to being an apology for terrorism I've seen on this forum so I'm not going to reply any more because I'm seething. I suggest we agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ll-not-be-defeated-from-the-air-a6759471.html







http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ndemn-raf-bombing-raids-on-isis-a6759551.html

 

You make it sound like the middle-east was some sort of peaceful eutopia before those nasty Weterners got involved.

The Middle-East has been in a Civil war since the 9th Century. These "rogue puppet dictators" were installed to try and bring peace to the region, allbeit with an iron fist. They were the 'lid' to the 'pressure cooker'. Unfortuantely the nicey nicey liberals were so sure the lid wasn't needed anymore they have removed it, and it's blown up in their faces, but rather than admit their own mistake they're trying to blame everyone else, mainly those who built the pressure cooker. What's become clear in countries like Syria and Libya is that you have two choices, a mad dictator or a Civil war that results in the death of 50% of the population, take your pick.

 

Well at least there was peace under the dictator. These utopias aren't ready for democracy in the Western sense and may never be. There are too many disparate tribes, factions and offshoots of religion. The 'Arab Spring' was a joke and used as an excuse to settle scores that were centuries old. But hey, it's all our fault.

 

You will never defeat the terrorist from the Air, ground troops are the only solution, but that is unthinkable from the west, so this sad mess will continue with increase in terrorist attacks throughout mainland Europe, time to get all the Arab states around the talking table particularly the Saudis.........

 

...the same country that's funding terrorists groups - some say including ISIS. I don't trust the Saudis and never will. I think that the answer lies in more regional players like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. along with Assad and the Russians. the West's intransigence over Assad (though I understand the reasons behind it) means that the situation is more complicated. We've really backed ourselves into a corner. If Muslim countries - especially the Syrian army, provided serious numbers of ground troops, and the West and Russia hammered ISIS from the air I think ISIS would scatter to the wind.

 

Cheers , although you maybe slightly naive in thinking that a couple of posters on a football forum have shaped Government policy.

My opinion is that unless soldiers are put on the ground then bombing will only disrupt but not finish ISIS it will not take control back from the areas they currently control .It may stop their expansion but defeat them no, at best all this will achieve will be a show of unity by all the countries currently involved .
David Cameron says that it’s hoped that moderate Syrian troops in the region can take advantage of the bombing but other than that no plan or strategy just hope that the moderates will step up their attacks .The yanks during the Vietnam war spend four years dropping bombs on the north Vietnamese which didn't achieve it's aim and it was the North who even after suffering the bombing were able to finally win that war with troops on the ground and the will to win .Have we that will and would the public be prepared to see another generation of British forces sent into yet another conflict ?

 

I think infidel troops on the ground is exactly what ISIS want, Matt. Hitting them from the air is rather different and strikes a different chord with both the enemy and the public as they tend to be strategic, targeting infrastructure and supplies. So these air attacks will halt and disrupt them as you rightly say but we have to put an end to the Syrian conflict and let that army (a huge one by the way) do the dirty work along with the Kurds and the Iraqis.

 

I hope that we don't commit our troops to this conflict and as you post rather that the indigenous population do the fighting but have read of the link below .
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-any-hope-for-military-success-a6747396.html

 

I didn't say it was a peaceful utopia, neither has Europe been a particularly peaceful utopia with the greatest loss of human life in two world wars. But the Arab people were in their own lands - what exactly were the Brits doing there? Later on you say "rogue puppet dictators were installed to try and bring peace to the region, allbeit with an iron fist". So who installed them? Who approved (or turned a blind eye) to the iron fist (ie atrocities) that were taking place? What effect do you think that had on the native population?

 

I don't approve of terrorism, but I understand the reasons behind it. Just as I don't approve of the atrocities committed by Britain in the past, the present and the future. The reality check is that most of the politicians and their blind supporters cannot see past the end of their nose so commit to further bombing of an area that we should never have got involved in in the first place, yet centuries later we are still there making the same mistakes. Never mind, once the oil runs out we'll move on and leave the Arab world to their own devices.

 

I see that the San Bernardino attacks are now officially being classed as terrorist acts. Maybe now the US will step it up on air strikes because they have not been doing enough in Syria - particularly in relation to oil supplies.