It should never have got to that stage in the first place, we just need to keep negotiations open with Argentina.
Right on the head, what a shiny slimy two face git this glory seaker is, I,d strap him to one of the first bombs, if it wasnt too late.
I think bombing oil fields that are captured by ISIS is a strategy that shows allegiance to Russia as well by the way, in a roundabout way. We have been informed that the Turks are buying this ****ing oil from ISIS and this is a massive '**** you' to Turkey, blowing oil fields apart.
As I see it we've entered some very murky political waters here in committing to bombing a country which is in the midst of a very complex civil war where the likes of Russia and USA are supporting opposing sides, it's very naive to think that we can go drop bombs and not end up showing support for any of the sides in this civil war. I fear we may inadvertently end up helping Asad in this civil war and he's as big a scum bag as any terrorist out there. I also don't see what good dropping bombs will do without any force on the ground, yes we will hit some key targets but we'll also end up killing some civilians and that is the best propaganda that ISIS can hope for, this will help radicalise thousands upon thousands of people both domestically and internationally. The whole thing is just a big show of force, we're not going to rid the area of ISIS without any ground forces and I don't see ISIS being deterred by these bombings on there own. To put it simply I think we're making similar mistakes as we did with Iraq.
Bollocks mate, we've made it our first priority to attack that country's Oil infrastructure. Don't kid yourself fella. We're out there killing two birds with one attacking the Assad Regime as well as ISIS.
We're helping to bomb the oilfields. Hope we also get some of those lucrative reconstruction contracts once its all over
Are wouldn't want something like a War on Terror to get in the way of the battle for oil. Convenient.
parliamentary 'democracy' is an absolute ****ing sham. When it really comes to it, it doesn't represent anything but the interests of the powerful. Better to bomb the hell out of an already torn-up country than to interfere with how ISIS is funded, armed and aided, because that would mean inconveniencing friends in high places
Exactly, that's what I said earlier. People are looking to use this assault on Syria as an excuse to lay into Cameron, it's not just Bri, I've seen at least 10 people share that same stupid picture on Facebook. The fact is, our targets are different from Russia's targets, absolutely plain and simple. Anybody who thinks we have an ulterior motive going into Syria for oil has lost the plot, they've got **** all oil and it would cost more to invade Syria, topple Assad and extract it than it would yield profit.
First thing we did in Afghan... blitz **** out of their poppy fields, stopping their primary source of income. Comms, Finance, Leaders, Minions, in that order, every time.
But who does that oil actually belong to? You said our involvement is entirely terrorist related full stop. Think there's definitely ulterior motives just like the Russians have. Cameron has wanted to attack the Assad regime for years. Our first targets were something that will merely stunt IS short term but will harm the Syria economy long term. We'll have to agree to disagree fella but I think this is about more than IS and Terrorism. I think this is going to get messy.
Governments in the west wont take military action against any country that is not a direct threat to national security without ulterior motives being involved. The MOD/MI5 constantly did deals with the Irish paramilitaries. Playing one off against the other. A bit like a kid does with his parents. Result is, they get what they want. I remember one case where they'd recruited some fairly high ranking from PIRA as a supergrass. Eventually, he was rumbled & they got him to Canada. The Provo's eventually caught up with him & shot the poor bastard.
No I never, I said 'Our campaign will be to target terrorist cells, full stop' the full stop part meaning all terrorist cells, not specific terrorists (ISIS) like Russia (or the non-terrorists that they are targeting, who are anti-Assad). Maybe misinterpreted there, but I don't for one second think we're going into this with no 'bigger picture' in mind. If you look back to other threads mate (**** knows which one specifically, there's been hundreds) I said last week that the long term plan involves targeting Iran and I firmly believe that. All I've said on this matter is our terrorist targets and Russia's terrorist targets differ, so it's not as simple as calling Cameron a hypocrite. The oil belongs to Syria, but it's location is in an ISIS strong hold. This isn't about oil, they don't have any oil for the West to bother themselves with, they probably have less than 1% of what Iraq has available to extract.
We are doing the right thing, IMO. Oil fields was a good start as there's plenty of speculation that it's ending up in Turkey and reportedly is making the Islamic State, millions. We should only have one ally on the ground and that is the Kurdish forces, we should work with them and them only. The rest of the militias in Syria are full of mercenaries and as soon as another tribe is offering more money, they will jump ship, regardless of which side they end up on. We should also support Putin in backing Assad, we have seen the damage of other leaders in the Middle East being removed and the fight for power will then create a new war in itself that will rage for years. I firmly believe it's better the devil you know over in them countries.
The whole situation is a mess. The Turkey border needs to close, they are a Nato nation for god's sake!!! Russia still wants to uphold the awful Syria government who have killed more people that IS. 10 countries currently are bombing Syria, now we make 11......are our bombs really going to make any difference or is this mealy just joining the cool kids!! And before i get jumped on i honestly dont know if its right or wrong all i know its a mess.
