Off Topic Political Debate

Tory sponsors do not threaten ministers in public, quite outrageous to compare the two.

 

Has he threatened to withdraw fundings or is that a fantasy of yours? Yep - it is certainly democratic for people to be able to speak freely. He could claim to represent over a million members (although I suspect he has not consulted their opinion). Is his speaking out any worse than a member of the clergy speaking out?

 

Why would it be a fantasy when he has a history of doing exactly that. He threatened to withdraw funding if the Labour Party did not choose the 'correct leader'

MP's not supporting the Corbynites are currently being threatened with de-selection.

McCluskey is worse than a member of the clergy because he is using threats to forward his political aims.

 

-1/10 "must try harder" is on your school report, I'll expell you from the blue mothership to that bastion of mediocreness the UKIP if you're not careful.... Buy your arfer daley - Nigel Farage coat and be prepared....

 

I can see a difference in importance to union members getting the leader they want - and not wanting to support Labour if it chose a leader they did not feel would represent their aims versus a threat to individual MPs on a single issue. However I accept your point and if he did make that threat then your comment may be a prediction rather than a fantasy. I keep reading about this so-called de-selection threat but have yet to see evidence - do you know of any? His current comment does not appear to have been accompanied by a threat so that argue will not hold until he does issue a threat.

 

I would def vote for military action........ along with a concerted approach to cut off income streams in and out..... etc

 

That reminds me of my school report, Pity I couldn't have met my loser teacher later in life.

 

McClusky has already threatened the elected government with illegal actions over its policies so this guy has form.

They have packed the local Labour branches with their activists but the wider Labour voting public will not be bullied.

 

McCLusky seems almost a pussy cat compared with some of the union leaders of the past. Still illegal actions have legal remedies.
It does seem that "activists" are increasing their numbers and influence in Labour Party membership. However that is their internal affair. The objective of each political party is to wield power - that means appealing to the general voter and we shall see how appealing Labour becomes.
I am sure Labour apologists will come up with a farrago of excuses on Thursday when a 14,000 majority in May is whittled down to a couple of thousand or less.

 

I am not sure 'old' labour has a future. Much as I respect the obvious integrity of Corbyn. A middle ground is needed if a single party is to win. The Tories let the Labour party in when they fell apart in the 90s..... I think a far left labour party will return the favour next time.

 

Reports from Labour sources say that the shadow cabinet meeting descended into "total chaos" as Mr Corbyn was shouted down by his opponents after saying that he would offer a free vote but that it would be party policy to oppose air strikes.

The crunch moment was when members of the shadow cabinet started seeing tweets from journalists stating that position while the meeting was ongoing. Furious members of the shadow cabinet accused Mr Corbyn of deciding - and then briefing - the position before it was even discussed.

As shadow ministers furiously checked their phones, others began shouting at the Labour leader telling him that the position was "absurd".

Mr Corbyn then told Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary who supports air strikes, that he would not allow him to close the Parliamentary debate on strikes, as would be normal.

A furious Mr Benn replied: "If you do that, I'll just do it from the backbenches."

One shadow minister's verdict on the meeting: "It was a riot in there."

Is this the way for a future government to behave? You cannot be surprised that a man who has no idea of working together with a team, as shown by his past behaviour, is now out of his depth trying to pull people together with differing viewpoints.

 

.... and of course this is why he has been on the fringes of the parliamentary party since becoming a MP

Great shame really... the media will have a field day.

 

I think regarding Corbyn it is time we all stopped thinking this is some kind of media witchhunt against the man. No responsible media outlet could fail to mock the total chaos that OFH's post suggests is happening to them. Corbyn is out of his depth and if Labour continue with him they will live to regret it. He is a nice, principled man but his views and his complete lack of ability to organise and lead show him to be the loner he has been all his political life.

 

I have just heard from another Labour source that what Frenchie posted may be misinformation put about by those seeking to discredit him..... hmmmmm

 

Was the source Diane Abbott?

 

It is a shambles however you look at it - with infighting being the norm. I am afraid this is what happens when you let inexperienced Party Members make decisions they are not competent to make. The Parliamentary Labour Party needs to sort their constitution out again

 

Or even worse create a system that can be infiltrated by the opposition to ensure that your party is weakened, vote for a fiver day....

 

Some comments from Labour members that suggest the meeting of the PLP it was as savage as the shadow cabinet meeting.

Jeremy Corbyn sat "crouched" not responding to sustained criticism at PLP

Margaret Beckett attacks Corbyn at PLP accusing him of deliberately trying to divide Labour Party.

Senior Labour figure says meeting of PLP one of most "uplifting" he has attended cos of "ferocity" of attack on Corbyn.

Ken Livingstone " savaged" by Jack Dromey At PLP.

"He didn't answer anything. He"ll have to come back next week" says Labour MP of Jeremy Corbyn at PLP.

If you want to lead a country you need to be practical not just have your head in the clouds about how you would like to see the world. This has been a total shambles for the Labour Party and will set them back for some time. If he is still the leader when the next election comes round it will be a miracle.

 

If true.... who is leaking?

Isn't this one of the cardinal rules.. .you don't leak?

Of course we know they do... but this is massive....

If Corbyn falls ... what next for Labour? PLP rebelling against the elected leader..

 

I would wait until we start seeing official news bulletins Yorkie. The problem for Labour is that there is a large ideological gap between the grassroots party and the PLP - a rebellion against the elected leader would set them (the PLP) against the rest of the party.