Jenkins: Laudrup vs Monk

But then maybe they won't sack him and wait until January in the hope he will turn things around, that could well be a possibility, though it could be very risky .........

 

Phil - there is a lot of truth in what you say.

My concern, however, is that the Board, including Huw, may have started to believe their own Press..... Do they think they are infallible and have & will always get the Managerial appointment right?

Are they blinkered because the Manager is GM - a real stalwart of the Club. If they sack him now, is it a tacit admission that they got it wrong?

That said, most (but not all) of the Board are shareholders and have a huge amount to lose financially. So probably as you suggest Phil, things are happening behind the scenes.....

 

Taff Monk is on the boardroom agenda big time, there are a number of issues the club are unhappy with, not least our very poor run.........

 

My train of thought for this thread isn't that I think Monk should be axed because of what happened to Laudrup.
My train of thought is that Laudrup should have never been axed because of what's happening to Monk.
Huw Jenkins wields to much personal power since Rodgers left, he's different and I don't mean a good different.

 

When Laudrup was asked to bring someone in valley , it wasn't to help ....it was to give Huw an excuse to axe him, When Monk was asked to bring in someone to help , it was to actually help get us out of the mess we're in imo...big difference.

 

Maybe we have the answer to all our woes ,

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/denmark/news/laudrup-turns-down-denmark-job_258879.html#$$nya7zo&&CcgQypIWEeWJshJeOQGl9w$$

 

Wow , that's a bit of a surprise .
Not that he was asked , only that he turned it down.

 

After we lost to Norwich , Monk was asked in his post match interview about our bad run of games.
His answer was teams' always have bad runs and makes reference to when he took over we were 2 points from relegation.
What he doesn't make reference to is his 2 wins from his first 10 Premier League games and 0 wins from 3 Cup games.
2 wins from his first 13 games in charge with a healthy team .
I want Monk to pull us out of this absolute dismal spot were in , but I want him to ditch his shallow excuses blaming everyone including fans , while taking little or no responsibility.
Just get on with it Garry , I'm tired of being depressed watching what was handed to him crumble before our eyes

 

I read a day or so ago that Monk feels that there is "an agenda" against him,by a certain group of individuals.
If true,then there's a delicious irony about it,since heavy rumours abound that he was part of the "agenda" that saw the demise of Laudrup,and that it was he that brandished the knife.
Of course,we will never know the reality,but the rumour has been running for quite some time now.
Smoke-fire-etc.

 

You have had a knife in his back ever since he was appointed, your dancing on his grave now just shows what kind of poster you are, your no supporter of Swansea City, that much is obvious, very sad little man indeed.................

 

At no time have I "danced" on Monk,and you are a tad premature with his grave,since it hasn't been dug yet.
I have NEVER opposed his appointment,nor opposed Laudrup's removal,since it had become inevitable.
The Club behaved shabbily towards Laudrup. That was my opinion back then,and it hasn't changed.
I am ambivalent to Monk,since he hasn't given me any reason to be otherwise.

My stance has been consistent,unlike yours,which changes with results and points gained,or lost.
I'm expecting you to post your usual hindsight garbage,viz,"I never wanted Monk as Manager in the first place".
I have merely sat back, refusing to buy into the odious hype you and your ilk kept pumping out on a day to day basis.
It was always my feeling that the team were overachieving,and that things might change,and of course,now they have changed,and you, and certain others, are now changing tack,want him out,and are anxious should the team be relegated.

You persist in posting blatant lies in my direction,but that's no surprise, since I have had to kick your ass on too many occasions.
Of course,having a sympathetic mod in your corner helps,eh?

Spineless keyboard warrior is what you are.
Your constant abuse of Martinez,Rodgers,Sousa and Laudrup is legion hereabouts.
Soon it will be Monk's turn for your vitriol.

Now,go away and play with your rubber duck,or deflated swan, and leave the grown ups in peace.

 

Phil there is no need for comments like that at all and given Monks involvement in past sackings, it is ironic that he's coming out and saying there are agendas etc

 

These last few posts are like Christmas for me .... I was feeling bad because I thought Phil was talking to me, then I find out he wasns't , he was talking about vetch and last but not least Valley tears a strip off Phil standing up for vetch....I'm off to the calendar to mark this one down
Feeling a bit bad for Phil though ...lol , Phil's got a pretty thick skin though.

 

I think there is, and it's true, you have a direct quote from Monk regarding this 'Agenda'? If so lets see it, but if your taking Vetch's comments on face value then you really are on shaky ground.

 

I see no said 'agenda' quote from Monk up here then? Thought not, Just another pack of lies from one cretin, I will continue to wait in eager anticipation of this 'agenda' quote supposidly from Monk.............

 

I've seen several articles in and around Nov 20th guoting Monk about "An Outside " agenda about him getting sacked.
But that's not really the point , the point is valley is asking you to be civil in your posts , like he asks everyone including vetch.

 

Fair point Roof, but Vetch has been far from civil on this board for over 12 months, and he's only just come back from a weeks ban, and in less than 2 minutes he's spouting his poison again, same old garbage re: Monk v Laudrop crap, such a toxic poster..................

 

But this is not true is it, Laudrup was one of the few recent managers who promised to stay and did, despite his stock being massively high with interest from other clubs. He had always been scrupulously careful not to make any promises he could not keep re staying.

From his press conference:

"At the end of the season I gave my word to the players and fans that I would stay even though I knew from agents – I didn’t speak to anyone – that a couple of big clubs were interested in me. I said it was important that I keep my word. I don’t run from that, so I will stay."

“There’s never been anything said I would move on. I was planning on staying next season as well. I had one more year.”

Being at a club many years is with most a sign of nothing more than a lack of a better opportunity. When his stock was recently high, Monk kept repeating to the press what a patriotic Englishman he was - I wonder why.

 

Not sure what will happen today or for the next few weeks or who will be our manager in the not to distant future, but what I am sure about is the longer this goes on with Monk in charge , with a totally healthy team , with 8.5 million worth of new transfers unused on the bench , no money for transfers apparently and not result to be found , the more Huw Jenkins looks like a absolute total fool for sacking Laudrup.....and that Jenkins started to totally lose track of reality with Laudrup's agent being chased out of town.

 

I'm of the opinion that, in football, if you don't sing when you're winning then there's something wrong with you. Football's a game with ups and downs, a game where you have to take the rough with the smooth, so I don't think any football fan can be criticised for celebrating the League Cup triumph and losing faith in Laudrup the following season, neither can a football fan be criticised for celebrating the highest ever PL finish and losing faith in Monk this season. You have to be able to enjoy the good times or what is the point in following a football club?

We are in the exact same position as we were under Laudrup. Our squad has started riding the success wave and forgotten about the hard work that got them where they were the previous season. Monk, like Laudrup, seems to have no answer to stop the rot, and although we have a 5 point cushion to the relegation spots at the moment (we were 2 above when Laudrup was sacked), it's a well known statistic that if you're in or around the relegation spots come Christmas, you're in for a close call that season. As it stands, it looks like we're going to be in touching distance.

The fact is that Martinez and Rodgers aside, Laudrup and Monk haven't been able to sustain their success past their first season and Sousa is on record stating that he regrets that he didn't even stay to try. So have Jenkins' managerial choices actually been so great? Two were a success, two were short term successes before (if Monk goes) needing to be cut loose, and one was a short term success that left on his own accord.

You may find that Monk is going to be afforded the same amount of time as Laudrup (i.e. early New Year) before the chop - that is if Jenkins is true to form. Do I agree with that? No. Did I think that Laudrup could have gone earlier too? Yes. I personally felt that Laudrup lived beyond his shelf-life in that second season - we were awful from around the end of September. We've been awful for all but the first 4 games of the season this term under Monk. But if Laudrup is anything to go by, Jenkins seems to like to give his guys half a season to try and turn things around. How close we'll be at that point to the relegation spots, we'll see (I reiterate it was 2 points under Laudrup). All I'll say is that thank goodness there appears to be 2 teams that look utterly shocking (Newcastle and Villa) and one promoted hard-luck story in Bournemouth. We may well be spared this season by other teams inabilities, rather than through our own ability.