Nothing he can prove (I stand to be corrected of course) I'm going off on a tangent here, but not long ago, maybe one month or so, I watched a programme that was visiting Muslim communities regarding the issue of mental health. The general consensus within that community is that Mental health results from a lack of faith and/or people's sins. How the hell can a community ever progress with mankind with idiotic views like that?
Yeah, something similar was said after the Boxing Day tsunami a decade ago, but don't level that idiocy just at Islam. There's ****ers prepared to climb on the mountains of corpses after a natural disaster from all faiths.
Not sure what that has to do with mental health... Anyways, I was only talking about what I watched. In general I know there's still a stigma regarding mental health, however, the majority of people are now more accepting and understanding of this. It seemed like it was the full Muslim community on this programme that looked down their noses on mental health.
I think people have a right to pass comment and argue points and as you say even call the whole system to question but there has been some mocking of individuals and that was the point I'm making.
Jews and Christians were Dhimmi, correct? This is a second class law system where Muslims were superior in every aspect. The Jews and Christians were tolerated as long as they paid taxes to exist and didn't disturb Muslims, ever. Similar in many ways to segregation in the US, apartheid, slavery, Hitlers Germany before the mass slaughter and other religious and racial class systems. This second class citizen system employed throughout Islam didn't exist I am guessing. Denial, a common trait of the believer.
No mate, its poor. The mother exists. It's indisputable. Its an unforgivable plot hole in your lovely tale. I do hope she was a married woman too. Otherwise there could be trouble, and shame.
The mocking of certain idividuals beliefs other than the discussion and possible mocking of a system that you disagree with or find ridiculous.
Religion is in no way a peaceful concept or ideology. Its prime message is you are under survailence constantly, any mistakes will be punished for eternity, suffering. The chosen few, who live by the rules set before them, will go to heaven. Using fear to control and gain power. Of course when some religions realised how insane they sounded, they added bits and bats over the years, removed bits, rewrote bits. In one religions case, they just wrote a second book, almost entirely contradicting the first. Morals, care, love. All the good, it didn't come from religion. It came from man.
Yeah, and Catholics being treated as second class citizens by the "British" in Ireland/Northern Ireland didn't exist. No vote and no jobs for for companies owned by Protestant employers, no wonder the civil rights movement came into being over there.
No individual has been mocked. Some have acted as if they have but that's very different. People like to be outraged. Mocking a system? Where? Unless its deserved. Like mocking any system that promotes segregation.
Bellend. Who is talking about the ****ing Irish? Feel free to start a thread. Catholics and Protestants have a disgusting and disturbing history full of pain and suffering.
So again you pick bits that suit you and ignore the questions and points, lets clear some of your prejudiced views, although I don't it will make any difference. I would say when you use a word please explain what it means otherwise there a lot of people here who probably never heard of it or know the true meaning of the word and people like you spread these deliberately to create discontent! Definition of Dhimmi - The word literally mean "Protected Person" They had their rights fully protected within their own communities. As citizens of the Islamic state they paid Jizya tax, which basically complemented the Islamic tax (Zakat) that Muslims had to pay, otherwise they were equal in every other aspects. They had their own laws they abided by, whether be biblical or Halakhic. However they never made the legal distinction between Muslims and non-Muslims, they were all equal.
I love people with Google knowledge (not talking about the last post) it far outweighs real knowledge and means you dont have to study anything or have any real opinions you can just copy and paste your opinion it takes away all the thinking, we should all give it a try and pretend that we're really clever.
There's a big difference between religion and spirituality in my opinion. You don't need the former to have the latter. You don't need a God to understand a higher purpose. You don't need religion to have a moral code or need a Diety to tell you the difference between right and wrong. (although these have these been the aims of religion to convince people otherwise)
Oh. Really. Let's see shall we. First of all, Zakat is a donation. It is not a tax. Jews and Christians were subject to a poll tax and a head tax under Muslim rule. Jews were permitted, as long as they toed the line. For example, when burying their dead, they were permitted to have a funeral as long as the local Muslims didn't hear their grief. Same with Christians. Both were made to wear identifying clothing or badges (blue for Christians, yellow for Jews) so the Muslim rulers could spot them easily. When bathing, Jews had to wear a chain around their neck so to appear different from the superior muslims. The myth that Jews thrived under Islamic rule is down to a few individual success stories. Many many more lived lives under a dictatorship. Jews did have their own laws, however their laws were overruled, without exception by Islamic law. So they didn't really have any laws as such. Jews and other faiths were at the whim of whoever was in charge of their region and the attitudes of the Muslim residents. Attitudes which were often negative. Yes, a handful thrived and gained positions of power, even within Islamic rule but most were peasants living under oppression. Next time you try and do a rebuttal, do t use charitable donations, this was not forced like the tax levied on non Muslims. Failure to pay Jizya removed any protection afforded to the non Muslims. Sounds like the Mafia, don't you think?
Non Muslims paid more than Muslims for sure. Its why, prior to 20th century, they had all left for Europe, or stayed and converted (Palestinians). However, when you compare it to how Europe has handled people of different religions throughout most of history. Islamic nations have traditionally been MUCH more tolerant of other religions than European nations have.
