**** off silly ****. Carry on living in your dream world. Over 50 years of supporting City has taught me some of our fans are deluded on a monumental scale.
Im pretty certain thus threads been set up for a wind up out of boredom due to the international break
Too early for me but does he not mean the KC v Sunlan 3-0....anyway it does not show the lack of support it shows the abject failure of the branded oldest cup comp in the world. And TV.
I think it is not just the fact they are in charge, but the various anti-supporter initiatives they have sponsored at the club which might not always be attributed to them; which, in essence is what you are saying and I believe you have a good point. Also, and I think you might not agree with this, but I very much doubt another owner would have allowed us to be relegated (without a whimper) under SB. I think your on going point about involving kids is and always has been spot on - it should be considered an investment for the future growth and one of the core reasons for expansion. On Sunday I am off to Newcastle Arena for a Super-Hero day with 3 of the grandbairns, do I like Super-Hero days, no is the answer, but I have bought a ticket to take them because they do. I took them (again) to see Sunderland, am I a Sunderland supporter, the answer despite one daft lad's snide remarks is no. I understand the concerns over giving tickets to the unemployed, but I would be hopeful it could be done in a manner that would be acceptable and, maybe, beneficial to the club. I like the idea of offering some form of inclusion to the unemployed and I totally agree that it is far too easy to dismiss them all as spoilt when the reality for many is that they are not; although this might have some stumbling points, but worthy of consideration at the very least. An occupied seat is better than an empty seat and you are right to question everything to make it happen and yes, we should expand up to 33-35,000 capacity, one way or another it would be an investment in club growth.
Fair enough, I didn't remember they had 4,000, though my memory's terrible, I wouldn't have remembered the score if it wasn't posted above. Either way it was a crap attendance, but it's easy to point at a single low attendance, it proves nothing.
I agree that there were organisational factors which contributed significantly to thousands being locked out for that match, but when was the last time a bottom tier match produced such a lock out in a stadium which held 25,000 ? I think there are many factors which need to taken into account on the issue of what type of crowds we could attract Firstly pricing obviously has an impact I travel over 2 hours for every home game and have had to give up my pass for this season and I find shelling out petrol and match day tickets at 24 -30 pounds barely affordable and I am by no means low paid by many people's standards Secondly and here I agree with you it's about the football on offer and the feeling around the club. The late 40s and the mid 60s were times of great enthusiasm as the team was winning AND playing attractive football plus there was less access to football in general unless you went to a game Like you I've supported CIty for a very long time and in truth we have struggled with gates relative to the size of the city we lost many of the 40s and 60s generation in the decline years of the late 70s and even more so in the dismal 90s We have regained a new genaration and pulled others back the key I would say to extending our regular supporter base is good football success affordability and the ability to house more fans who may not come to every game but who may come to the bigger matches and end up like we did hooked !
They had over 7,000 ticket applications at Sunderland before they even knew who they were playing, ourselves or Brighton. As I wrote previously, there is little evidence we would regularly get 25,000 let alone 35,000.
Derby average 30,000 in the Championship and it's no bigger a city, nor is it particularly affluent. They do so by using the dynamic ticket pricing model common is the US, that alone is evidence that's entirely doable, though attracting fans, rather than alienating them, is also helpful.
Rubbish.That isnt evidence at all. We're incomparable to Derby. And the surrounding area is very affluent.
Not managed to read through 5 threads on this, but my thoughts...... Money from ticket sales is now pretty irrelevant in the Premier League, and is massively dwarfed by TV revenue, that said, clubs charge mental prices because they can and because people will pay it, simple supply and demand economics, and if 50 quid tickets raises an extra 5-10 mil over a season that's always going to be worth it to the club which is a business. The lower leagues it's slightly different, extra revenue from ticket sales is more important due to the lower prize money and TV deals, won't argue the rights and wrongs of the Allam's prices (they're wrong btw), so it is more important for teams to get as much revenue as they can......that does not always mean raising prices though. If we expanded to 35k, we'd certainly sell more tickets with the right pricing especially in the premier league, but the question for the club is, 'is the investment going to pay back financially?' If you consider that 35000 in the stadium paying 20 a ticket is give or take the same as 24000 paying 30 which for arguments sake we'll call the ave PL price and crowd (i know it's not), then to make it financially viable, ticket prices would need to remain pretty consistent to where they are now for it to pay back, or at best we'd see a reduction but not to the 250 a season ticket and 20 a match ticket prices we'd love to see
I think this is right, but also that it shouldn't be taken in isolation, which I know you arn' t, but it seems others might be. Couple the success of this, along with the potential (potential is what should be discussed, rather than evidence, which in my opinion is daft requirement) that Filey's thoughts provoke, then think about family affordability and real in-roads will be made. It would be wonderful if one day, in some way, a joint membership of (some of) the sporting clubs of Hull could be achieved.
If you price the tickets correctly, it makes little difference how affluent the surrounding area is and the fact that Sunderland can average 43k makes a mockery of the suggestion anyway. We had a significant period with a lack of success and that resulted in us falling a long way behind other similar sized cities, like Leicester, Derby, Sunderland, Southampton, Stoke etc. It will take a sustained period of success for us to reverse that, but it's obviously possible.
True. But Derby has always been more of a football city than Hull. The people who live there connect with the club in a way which doesn't happen here. No one gloating over their local team not doing well, no local media being negative about the local club or ignoring them in favour of clubs playing lesser sports.
If it's a simple question of ticket takings against the cost of the expansion works, then it's not a particularly attractive proposition, though the numbers would be rather better than you've suggested, as done correctly you'd have around 20,000 paying the £20 for season tickets, with matchday/away tickets being at higher prices. But there's also the additional money from concession and merchandise sales that would almost double those we're currently achieving. The bigger the club gets, the more likely it becomes that the success would be continued. It needs to be looked at as a long term proposition, rather than simply how quickly the build cost could be recouped through ticket sales, or it will never happen.
No ones saying it isnt possible, but cos we're top of the league people are talking about us as if we have all these rabid fans desperate to get in. As i put earlier we need ten years of continued success to even contemplate it. Its pointless comparing us to Sunland. You constantly do this, pick and choose from other clubs. It doesnt stand any scrutiny.
As I suggested, it would require us to remain successful for a sustained period for us to catch up with the other clubs mentioned, though I don't think RH reporting really has much bearing on anything.
If we were to freeze prices, how long would it take before the prices could be considered reasonable? 10 years?
