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[saintanton]

Well I was only using it to take the piss out of Utd.
The image is obviously not legit, but I wasn't talking about the image I was talking about predictions of scientists. I don't believe that was your intention, but as I keep saying belief is nothing. My bad if that was the base. I think that because of your little bitchy comment about charts, so there is evidence you are just being an ignorant trolling dick.


However, my opinions on journos have had plenty of airings on here. Just because a paper runs a stupid headline saying that " Snowfalls are a thing of the past" doesn't that that is the considered opinion of scientists. All they say is that global warming is happening.
It was not the opinion of some journo, that's what was coming out of the CAGW centric scientific community in 2000.


When the Met office says that there has been a trend to global warming of 1 degree over the last century I will put my trust in their expertise, as I'm not qualified to argue. How much of that trend is anthropogenic is another argument.

I went to the site of the source of the met data and it says .7 degrees, so your meaningless appeal to deemed authority is fail.
You beleive in the expertise of the Met who gives you a temperature different from the actual data the Met is using/.
All without even researching anything, and then you criticise my actual research by bitching about charts from the very source you are using as an ignorant defence cos you obviously don't know how the met ges it's data

"Please don't throw more graphs and charts at me- data is meaningless unless you understand how to process it.
Which graph did I show you that I cannot explain? I showed scientific results today alone that prove CAGW is not happening.

No wonder you are mad at me, you are an idiot. Not for not knowing climate science, but for making claims out of sheer ignorance

wash the sand out of yer vag and come back with a coherent sensible argument or stop whinging

I never used to agree with you, but since you've shouted at me and called me names I've realised how wrong I am.
Who'd have thought I just needed a virtual slap to come to my senses?

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Well I was only using it to take the piss out of Utd.
The image is obviously not legit, but I wasn't talking about the image I was talking about predictions of scientists. I don't believe that was your intention, but as I keep saying belief is nothing. My bad if that was the base. I think that because of your little bitchy comment about charts, so there is evidence you are just being an ignorant trolling dick.


However, my opinions on journos have had plenty of airings on here. Just because a paper runs a stupid headline saying that " Snowfalls are a thing of the past" doesn't that that is the considered opinion of scientists. All they say is that global warming is happening.
It was not the opinion of some journo, that's what was coming out of the CAGW centric scientific community in 2000.


When the Met office says that there has been a trend to global warming of 1 degree over the last century I will put my trust in their expertise, as I'm not qualified to argue. How much of that trend is anthropogenic is another argument.

I went to the site of the source of the met data and it says .7 degrees, so your meaningless appeal to deemed authority is fail.
You beleive in the expertise of the Met who gives you a temperature different from the actual data the Met is using/.
All without even researching anything, and then you criticise my actual research by bitching about charts from the very source you are using as an ignorant defence cos you obviously don't know how the met ges it's data

"Please don't throw more graphs and charts at me- data is meaningless unless you understand how to process it.
Which graph did I show you that I cannot explain? I showed scientific results today alone that prove CAGW is not happening.

No wonder you are mad at me, you are an idiot. Not for not knowing climate science, but for making claims out of sheer ignorance

wash the sand out of yer vag and come back with a coherent sensible argument or stop whinging

You're letting your frustration get the better of you now mate. Saint is one of the best posters on here. I guess like me [and I have told you this before] most of us aren't as into this as you are and the data and graphs go over our heads. Apart from that, I don't like seeing people being verbally abused - you should know that, I've come to your defence in the past

 

[saintanton]

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You're letting your frustration get the better of you now mate. Saint is one of the best posters on here. I guess like me [and I have told you this before] most of us aren't as into this as you are and the data and graphs go over our heads. Apart from that, I don't like seeing people being verbally abused - you should know that, I've come to your defence in the past

It's ok, I don't take the verbals seriously.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

You're letting your frustration get the better of you now mate. Saint is one of the best posters on here. I guess like me [and I have told you this before] most of us aren't as into this as you are and the data and graphs go over our heads. Apart from that, I don't like seeing people being verbally abused - you should know that, I've come to your defence in the past

No I am not, I am being intentionally obnoxious. It's how I react to people who's opinions I respect joining into Tobes TT and PJs little sewing circle. I guess you expect better from some people. AS always, people slag me off personally and any response is me having a meltdown

With saint it is all because of a disagreement about "experts".

Handbags n'all that. I mean I don't even mind the odd jibe, I am often tagged by the lads with illuminati stuff like Tobes and Milk and even Astro occasionally does, but when they come on with weak arguments and just keep maintaining they are right and start the usual Conspiracy theoriest, how you expect it to go from there exactly, that "tag" gets used no matter what the actual subject, by people who just want to be heard but don't know wtf they are talking about.

When people are discussing **** I have no clue about, I don't put my oar in and start labeling folk a nutter and therefor anything they say on any debatable subject is nonsense.

I am only explaining because it's you, I wouldn't bother otherwise. Don't see any actual seriousness in this, it's the way I write, I try to be precise but it often seems condescending.

It's always the same people haven't you realised, and saint is in it now because he decided to play sweet 16 with the girls t'other night. Should have practised kissing instead.

I don't need anyone to defend me, and you are using that as a measure of how wrong you think I am? interesting

Saint is a grown man. I am sure he is AOK

 

[johnsonsbaby]

It's ok, I don't take the verbals seriously.

Now you tell me

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I never used to agree with you, but since you've shouted at me and called me names I've realised how wrong I am.
Who'd have thought I just needed a virtual slap to come to my senses?

You go bitchy over "experts" mate, joined in hte little bitch fest afterwards, I respected that you did not get into the ****** gang even if you did disagree, if everyone agrees there is something wrong.

Thing is I can back up my argument. When I use sources, which are key to making an argument and backing it up as there is no other way to do so on a forum, and get faced with opinion, and mocked, which is pretty much how it goes, I may get condescending, but that's only because of dismay, to see that rational debate replaced by debate via the lizard brain and ego, they have such big egos because the primitive part of their brain controls more than the usual for the average human, they never admit they are wrong


What really makes me laugh is, it's a real crime if I make a mistake and somehow confirmation that every thing I say is wrong. But everyone else gets a free pass

You guys are mouth breathing morons.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I don't need anyone to defend me, and you are using that as a measure of how wrong you think I am? interesting

Saint is a grown man. I am sure he is AOK

Not using it as that at all. tbh it looked like a bit of paranoia creeping in. I don't like seeing people - anyone - being verbally abused, there's no need. You're usually pretty good at sticking to the 'facts' in an argument but I didn't see that with your comments to saint... and that's it, and that's all

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Just to back up my mouth breathing moron claim @saintKlopp

You said "even if we are wrong we are doing the right thing" re global warming hysteria.

You never even looked at UN policies or the impact on economics and the third world as well as Britain's actual energy supply or the impact on the third world. Let alone not even considering thousands of old people die in cold winters from no money for fuel, or the fact that these policies are pushing millions into energy poverty. Food used for Biofuel, incrased food prices.. food price hikes usually kill hundreds of thousands if not millions as in the 2000s when 30% of all corn went to biofuels.

So you disagreed based on what? That is a qestion you need to ask yourself. I don't give a ****.

Of course for pointing this out, I am "insert label"

 

[saintanton]

Just to back up my mouth breathing moron claim @saintKlopp

You said "even if we are wrong we are doing the right thing" re global warming hysteria.

You never even looked at UN policies or the impact on economics and the third world as well as Britain's actual energy supply or the impact on the third world. Let alone not even considering thousands of old people die in cold winters from no money for fuel, or the fact that these policies are pushing millions into energy poverty. Food used for Biofuel, incrased food prices.. food price hikes usually kill hundreds of thousands if not millions as in the 2000s when 30% of all corn went to biofuels.

So you disagreed based on what? That is a qestion you need to ask yourself. I don't give a ****.

Of course for pointing this out, I am "insert label"

I won't bother answering, then.

 

[Tobes]

I won't bother answering, then.

You'd get more sense out of my cat.

He's not here for any form of debate, he thinks he's here to 'inform' as he's decided that his knowledge is infallible on the subjects he chooses to champion.

He avoids answering direct questions and just skips on to his next reem of cut and paste.

You challenge him, he calls you a know nothing, you front him up, he calls you a moron.

It's a complete waste of time.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I won't bother answering, then.

probably not wise considering you never bothered to check it out before flappin your gums, all calculations of the cost of the polices show that it will be 10 or more times the cost of adaption to a warmer climate and will cost many lives as energy and as a result food prices rise and rise. Energy costs are passed into every facet of life, food, education, stuff, actual energy needs. Not that there is any proof at all an extra 2c would be bad like, Mayan calendar ****

Already I have explained how turning corn to fuel has actually killed people.
How energy prices rising has killed old peolpe, several winters of substandard warmth will kill even healthy old people.

23000 old people died in 2006 in the UK alone, I'd there were more than a sprinking of people dying in their own homes from exposure in that 23000.

Your ignorance of the effects of this scam is amazing given your assuredness.

I mean ffs, I had Tobes try tell me 2 weeks ago that the Ozone in the Ozone layer contains NOx, he melted away when his mouth breathing moron argument fell apart. The usual ****. Just slink away when your cack doesn't add up

But I think the only really annoying thing you mouth breathing morons do, is the false argument paraphrasing. Taking words and making some imaginary point. Well it's not THAT annoying.

Oh by the way, what you said about the Met, basically you said "whatever they say is right because they are the met, even when the data they use says they are wrong". 99% of people will never chack that data to see if they were telling the truth. They couldn't even keep a BBC weather contract.
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Your chart falsehoods are old by the way, The other maniacs have been using those as a way to deal with actual scientific data that shows they are talking ****e. Talk about the chart but absolutely not about the data.

As you said "don't post charts you cant explain" but then never followed that up did you.. because you knew it was the words of a mouth breathing moron.

 

[terrifictraore]

Well I was only using it to take the piss out of Utd.

How very dare you make a funny football related comment on a football forum.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

How very dare you make a funny football related comment on a football forum.

Where is that proof btw, did you post it earlier? You had proof I was a "liar"?


and no it only turned into that after I provided a cached page for said article, then it was just a joke

 

[Peej]

Thanks for the support but I am now worried that I have accidentally asked something quite important.

There is nothing to explain it on the forum he uses to copy and paste from.

 

[Peej]

am sure as you are the expert in this field that my humble opinion is of no great concern to you, however feel to answer the point raised by @terrifictraore and then maybe i will look into your question

First claiming I think I am an "expert" is trying to paint a picture, this debate has no need of such childish tricks, then you tag your girlfriend.

"eg expand on your point to Obama about the climate always changing (you are right on this) maybe you could us the chart labelled figure 16 from Mcshane and wyner 2010 showing a Backcast from Bayesian Model of Section 5. CRU Northern Hemisphere annual mean land temperature to explain the cycle of change to me."

Now you switch to Obama, talk about another subject you don't understand. And now after pretty much ignoring all of the sources and data on the subject.

So before we proceed, have you nothing to say to the replies on your garbage on Einstein and peer review?
You made some claims about Einstein, and I am asking what you base than on? So you avoid that and jump back to global warming.

You cannot explain the cycles in CRU average mean temp models, what causes nothern hemisphere cycles in part is Atlantic multidecadal oscillations.
If you have specific question ask it, any fool can go and copuy and paste something to answer that question without even undertstanding what they are pasting, I wouldn't bother.

So what is it you suddenly want to learn?

Obama

This Obama and a clown picture comes from you sweet cheeks.

You have flipped and flopped between posting stuff you can't explain to having a pop at Einstein and have not been able to explain the point triffic pulled you up on.

As I said, help the aforementioned poster better understand the data you supplied to back up your viewpoint and then we can get back to me proving how important Einsteins work really is

 

[terrifictraore]

Where is that proof btw, did you post it earlier? You had proof I was a "liar"?

If you really are this desperate to avoid answering my question lets go there on your proof nonsense and you prove that I called you a liar, see how childish you are getting.

As I said earlier I had already told you about the problem with your " mistaken belief" hence me calling you a liar when you repeated it . However, rmaybe you didn't lie about it maybe you were just naieve enough to believe stuff on the " denier" blogs you love and blinkered enough not to see the easily available evidence to the contrary.

If you admit that is the case then I will be happy to admit I was wrong to call you a liar that time.

The choice is yours.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Obama

This Obama and a clown picture comes from you sweet cheeks.

You have flipped and flopped between posting stuff you can't explain to having a pop at Einstein and have not been able to explain the point triffic pulled you up on.

As I said, help the aforementioned poster better understand the data you supplied to back up your viewpoint and then we can get back to me proving how important Einsteins work really is

I think you banged your head.

Obama was in the post I replied to from Terrific, no one mentioned the pic. I referered to his avoidance of admitting he is talking ****e

Now you claim to prove something after being repeately wrong on every single point you made, especially peer review. Tragically wrong. Not only did you not know Einstein was not peer reviewed as were other great scientists, but you were not really displaying your knowledge well about the process and it's flaws or it's history.
So really you weren't even actually ralking about peer reivew at all.

Peer review was a corstone of your argument until opps, Einstein hated it, the guy you were using it to defend, and he wasn't peer reviewed either

You mention educating TT.
Three times I told him "1000 years and 400000 years" today, and after three times comes back and asks me what are the time scales, because he doesn't read my posts. So I stopped replying to him


Now lets get to the meat of your whinge where, I said "I think in 100 years from now most of Einsteins work will be buried" To which you replied clueless fool.
So Einstein and GR was 100 years ago, and in 100 years from now it will be 200 years old. Basically you are saying no, even in 200 years his work will hold.. but you dont know his work.. so how do you know?

Crackpot

 

[Peej]

Another

Just to back up my mouth breathing moron claim @saintKlopp

You said "even if we are wrong we are doing the right thing" re global warming hysteria.

You never even looked at UN policies or the impact on economics and the third world as well as Britain's actual energy supply or the impact on the third world. Let alone not even considering thousands of old people die in cold winters from no money for fuel, or the fact that these policies are pushing millions into energy poverty. Food used for Biofuel, incrased food prices.. food price hikes usually kill hundreds of thousands if not millions as in the 2000s when 30% of all corn went to biofuels.

So you disagreed based on what? That is a qestion you need to ask yourself. I don't give a ****.

Of course for pointing this out, I am "insert label"

claim not backed up with facts!

How many people died because of biofuels?


And how many old people died because of cold weather.

How many had renal failure, heart problems or just plain died because they were old!


Was an increase seen in deaths over the winter months in comparison to the summer months, was Autumn a warm season but deaths higher than average.

You claim deaths from cold weather and fuel poverty.......


But fail to back this opinion up

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Another

claim not backed up with facts!

How many people died because of biofuels?


And how many old people died because of cold weather.

How many had renal failure, heart problems or just plain died because they were old!


Was an increase seen in deaths over the winter months in comparison to the summer months, was Autumn a warm season but deaths higher than average.

You claim deaths from cold weather and fuel poverty.......


But fail to back this opinion up

Well I am still waiting for you to back even one tiny shred of what you posted this last 24 hours.

If you want me to back something up, best to actually back up your own argument first instead of trying to latch onto another discussion becaue your own argument has more holes in it than a connect 4 set

 

[Peej]

I think you banged your head.

Obama was in the post I replied to from Terrific, no one mentioned the pic. I referered to his avoidance of admitting he is talking ****e

Now you claim to prove something after being repeately wrong on every single point you made, especially peer review. Tragically wrong. Not only did you not know Einstein was not peer reviewed as were other great scientists, but you were not really displaying your knowledge well about the process and it's flaws or it's history.
So really you weren't even actually ralking about peer reivew at all.

Peer review was a corstone of your argument until opps, Einstein hated it, the guy you were using it to defend, and he wasn't peer reviewed either

You mention educating TT.
Three times I told him "1000 years and 400000 years" today, and after three times comes back and asks me what are the time scales, because he doesn't read my posts. So I stopped replying to him


Now lets get to the meat of your whinge where, I said "I think in 100 years from now most of Einsteins work will be buried" To which you replied clueless fool.
So Einstein and GR was 100 years ago, and in 100 years from now it will be 200 years old. Basically you are saying no, even in 200 years his work will hold.. but you dont know his work.. so how do you know?

Crackpot

Jesus Christ, you believe his work will be buried in 100 years time, it is still relevant today. Like I said, explain it and we will discuss this Einstein thread a little more <biggrin>

Has the cold gotten to you, find a discussion board and the answer you want to paste and we will discuss further.

I'm off to have a brew and giggle.