Islam has very little to do with these terror boys . The sooner that gets accepted in the UK the better Use the TV to say that not a bunch of idiots in a jungle getting paid
They used mortars to get at Downing St. A weapon system that requires them to put a round down the tube to fire it. I'll give them their due that was audacious and very nearly worked. I'm not aware of a remote firing mortar but I could be wrong.
I think Islam has everything to do with these terror boys. Mind you, I laugh at re-runs of "Summer Wine".
I hear what your saying but it's impossible to say it has nothing to do with Islam. The comparison I like is the one that goes..... do the KKK speak for all Christians. They are a small offshoot of Islam that shouldn't be used to tar all with the same brush.
So does the Bible. Come on Strolls, this is an hysterical spasm in history, we are just the unlucky old geezers who have had the misfortune to live through this and the much more apocalyptic Cold War. But lucky enough not to have been involved in a real war. This could be the beginning of the end for this mumbo jumbo, this Jihad nonsense only really started with the Ayatollah, it could finish just as fast. In Indiana, a part of the Bible Belt and as about as conservative a state as you could imagine, 52% of citizens declare themselves to have 'no religion'. Slowly but surely.
I've see that comparison made, but I'm not sure it's quite the same. The percentage of Christians who think that KKK actions are justified would be miniscule, but I would venture that that there is a significantly larger percentage of Muslims that support, or sympathise with, Daesh and other Islamic terrorists.
I couldn't say I have an answer to that really. All the Muslims I know personally are just as appalled as I am. I can only go by what I've seen myself. I do feel there is a certain amount of Muslims that hold to the mindset that they should put other Muslims first and that overrides the greater security of us all. I don't know anyone like that myself but I do think it happens and it's that that undermines how non Muslims look at this.
Deuteronomy 13 "6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, " And to avoid confusion and the well, it's the Old Testament, argument, Jesus was apparently fully behind upholding all of the Judaic laws. "“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)” It's not a surprise that extreme punishment of apostasy is present in Islam, because it is in Judaism and Christianity too, the source religions for Mohammed.
But Christians aren't actually get killed for apostasy in the 21st century as far as I'm aware. I wish I shared your optimism, Stan. Christianity may be on the wane, but Islamic brainwashing and militancy is going to take a very long time to fade away, it seems to me.
The question was asked.......what would the SAS do if there was a gun attack in London? Well, obviously, the first few minutes would be carnage and the people affected would need to do everything they could to stay alive. It wouldn't take long for the Regiment to get to the scene and then the terrorists would have a lot on their plate. If I ever get caught up in this kind of thing, I'd want it to be near where the SAS were going to be.
I think you will find that the IRA mortars (and many others they used) were set off using a timer device, as I think the LHR one was also. On the subject of automatic weapons being harder to come by here, then yes you are correct, but I think it's rather naive to think that 'cos they aren't used daily by criminals and drug dealers then they won't be used by Islamists. It's a completely different ball game and your average gang banger would be more likely to carry something that is easy to use and hide quickly.......which of course an AK47 isn't.....Though from experience it isn't a hard weapon to aim and fire to a reasonable standard.
Apostasy is different from leaving a religion. Apostasy is working to convert believers away. Show me the verse that says that if you declare you are no longer Christian, you should be killed. That was what Stroller said about Islam.
I know it's pretty disgraceful how lax Christians have become in upholding their laws. Slackers. I have spent the weekend seething (despite the triumph of hanging a 50lb mirror, a task I have been dreading, only 1 cm off level) but am now actively trying to find, not quite positives, but reasons to look forward. Of course it would be immeasurably better if none of this **** had happened, but just perhaps it's the catalyst which will help us turn a corner.
Just look up a definition of apostasy. It's the renunciation of belief - religious, political, whatever. And let's not get into a theological debate or scripture reading on here. I am assuming that you don't want Christianity bucketed with Islam. I can understand why, But just to be clear: 2 Chronicles 15:13 ESV But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.
The intolerance and bigotry some of the atheist extremists on here would be laughable if they weren't so dangerous.
Nothing quite like taking a verse out of context old chap! The verses quoted from Matthew should be read in the context of the chapter they are taken from, particularly verses 21-48, in which we find some of Christ's most challenging teaching, including commands to love our enemies. In fact, if you read this passage (the sermon on the mount) Jesus often quotes from the OT and challenges his followers to be even more radically loving. For example, he quotes OT laws around not committing murder and challenges his followers to not even be angry at their brothers. The law talks of an eye for an eye, and Jesus challenges us to instead turn another cheek. The whole of this chapter - including the verses you quote when in context - is about Jesus not abolishing the law, but bringong about its true intent and purpose in his teaching and life. Of course, had the law been perfect, there would been no need for Christ. Happy to discuss further tomorrow if time at work allows (I'm going to bed now), but you are quoting a verse wildly out of context at present. Read the whole chapter and see how Jesus refers to the law within it if what I've said doesn't make sense fully at present.
More dangerous than a religious extremist with an AK47 and a body belt filled with explosives? More dangerous than a *****phile priest protected for decades by his Church? More dangerous than Christian Scientists and Jehovahs Witnesses that deny medical treatment to their own sick children? At least that's an attempt at an argument, though the statement that Jesus wanted to uphold the whole of the Law (Old Testament) is pretty unambiguous. I suggest you start another thread for this debate, I don't think this is the place for it.
Agree it's not the place. Happy to leave it there as long as you promise to read the whole chapter before quoting that verse again A man as smart as you (having read the thread) won't struggle to see it is no where near as clear as you'd like it to be.
