Paris - breaking news

Ok ..fair enough

 

Oh, for ****'s sake everybody. Get a grip.

These peope are an insignificance. In 15 years islamists have managed to kill 414 people across a whole continent. Anything at all is more likley to kill you than a terrorist.

There will be no west vs islam war. ISIS will eventually become annoying enough that a few western countries go to the trouble of destroying it. They will then piss off home an wait for the next problem to arise in the region.

The current immigration wave is a significant problem. Accepting an external popualation increas of 0.3% is no small thing, but it also isn't anywhere near the largest problem anyone has to deal with.

Feel sympathy and respect for the dead and their families but keep a bit of perspective.

 

Let's see how you feel if it happens to someone you know.

Wrongs are wrongs irrespective of numbers.

 

I think it would be naive to ignore the part that western foreign policy in relation to the middle east has played in creating this situation. We collectively have a history of taking what we can from these regions. We have also at numerous points armed various factions and countries when it suited us politically only to have it come back and bite us on the arse. Even now we have situations where western corporations are invited to share up the spoils of war to make rich people richer rather than accepting that the natural resources belong to these countries and are needed if they are ever to become stable.

 

I think it suits a lot of agendas to make both of these more of a perceived problem than they are. I don't agree that they are an insignificance though. Handled badly both situations could spark a variety of reactions that could make the problems a lot worse than they already are.

 

There's no way any of us in the UK will rise up against the looney Muslims....we are all far too busy paying our mortgages off or sitting on football forums to give a ****.

 

Nolberto, trying to grasp a lot of your comments would take some time to say what bits i agree on and which bits i don't, but in the main, i've always felt Blair was and is a war criminal. Regardless of varied views why he attacked Iraq as the US puppet, was sold to the UK by British Media as Nuclear. It was all lies. The same distortion of truths the media spill out every week. Yes, there was great wrong doings but all Blair did was open a can of worms and instead of resolving problems caused endless more deaths, while sending a tyrant to his death but if it is fitting for one leader, than surely the same rules applies to our past own.

The West flex their superiority or more so the European alliance being judge and jury over anyone else under the guise of peace keepers. So where were the peace keepers in Kenya in April 2015 when more people were killed by gunmen than died in Paris, who changed their avatar flag to a Kenyan one?

I see an article today in the Independent about white supremacy, do we only care for the loss of certain lives?

That is just one example of many killings that take place week in week out, but generally unless it involves oil we don't give a **** until it is brought to our own doorstep. So now France want war.

We can say young men are brain washed but they know before they leave our shores their destiny before that commences. Why do young men strap a bomb to themselves and blow them self to pieces?...because their mad, their nutters, their psycho's but strange then when their identity is revealed, they lived next door as neighbours, maybe in the UK, or Belgium and France, young men that are much the same age as many on here.

I'm not defending them or their actions but just sometimes question the actions of our greedy politicians and the media where the tabloids at least aint worthy as bog paper. The British Media will recycle the events again and again, but to whose benefit?

But the West puppeteers are always right and the rest of the world is mad! The divisive mechanism. On one hand we call ourselves peace keepers on the other we constantly declare war.

 

This is just going to get annoying now and all the good doers will say these men had no jobs etc etc.

The good muslims getting defensive.

Racism cards being played left right and centre.

I'm through with humanity it's a disgrace and always has been.

Horrible disgusting race which if anything is simply a cancer upon the earths crust.

 

Oh, for ****'s sake everybody. Get a grip.

These peope are an insignificance. In 15 years islamists have managed to kill 414 people across a whole continent. Anything at all is more likley to kill you than a terrorist.

There will be no west vs islam war. ISIS will eventually become annoying enough that a few western countries go to the trouble of destroying it. They will then piss off home an wait for the next problem to arise in the region.

The current immigration wave is a significant problem. Accepting an external popualation increas of 0.3% is no small thing, but it also isn't anywhere near the largest problem anyone has to deal with.

Feel sympathy and respect for the dead and their families but keep a bit of perspective.

For anyone personally involved it is a brutal tragedy. A car crash, a train wreck, whatever: if it happens to you it is almost the end of the world.

It is made worse by the fact that these people are evil.

That doesn' tmake them important. The only way they could acquire significance would be, as Neville says, if people start treating them as imprtant and doing stupid things as a result.

Find them. Bomb them. Destory their bizarre and twisted "state". Just don't let them convince you that they are as important as they'd like you to think they are.

 

I don't value life anyway

 

Brb ..couldn't agree more with respect to Blair plus Bush and the excrement like Cheney and Rumsfeld

We tried the nazis at nurenberg, the Serbs at the Hague ...there SHOULD be 4 chairs waiting for the mafia gang mentioned above (even bearing in mind the US refuses to acknowledge, sign up for, or allow a US citizen/military to be charged with war crimes...which is lucky for them, considering guantanimo, rendition, 'enhanced' interrogation, abu ghraib, MSF hospital etc etc)

To me that's what it all seems about..not just from the media but from politicians to corporations. (I would argue that the last 40 odd years have seen it consciously being built into the national structure/culture)...divide and conquer ..its worked for millenia.

I like to think it's just starting to begin to break down ..But that's probably foolishly deluded and optimistic even for a toon fan

 

What seems a little strange is that despite all the newspaper headlines and TV reports, life just goes on as normal for the vast majority of us not caught up in any of this. Its as if we put it to the back of our minds as we go about our normal daily routines.

 

Which is why we will be here when ISIS is a historical foot note like the IRA, Guy Fawkes and others who tried to blow us up and seemed important at the time

 

If you want a 1400 year history of brutal Islamic conquest and colonisation through the middle east, North Africa, Spain, Sicily, eastern Africa, central Asia, eastern Europe, the Caucaus and northern India I could happily note it if you wish.

Islam makes one important claim for itself. It is the last great religion. After it comes nothing. If they suceed in their conquest either through war or most likely cultural Jihad, we will see the return of the Jizya, the tax religious minorities have to pay in order to worship and breath daily. Atheists will get a better deal - convert to Islam or die. Seems fair I guess. After all this is reasonable people we are dealing with.

 

Yes indeed. However, I wouldn't compare these Islamic loons with the IRA. It took the IRA and the loyalist paramilitaries 30 years to kill 3,000 people. Al Quaeda did that in one day.

 

9/11 was an impressively imaginative as effective idea. Since then it has been set ex and Klashnikovs. Rather less effective than the IRA. GIve it 40 years and I'll be cheering Iran vs Bosnia Herzegovina

 

I don't disagree with anything you've said. In my initial post I tried to indictate that

"House of Saud are real scum ..and a truly barbaric ruling elite . Funding terrorists and promoting wahbism ideology" (tempted to korrect spulling)

I would disagree if you said that was the sole reason..which is what I was replying too

 

No I agree with you mate. Saudi funded Wahhabism/Salafism (the latter is apparently different but the cause and effect is much the same) needs to ripped root and branch from Europe but I fear we don't have the balls to do it. By the time we do, it could mean immense bloodshed.

 

Rather less effective than the IRA? This lot make the IRA look like choirboys.

 

Absolutely .. there is no desire to confront this issue ..Primarily, the KSA dont want us too ..so we won't. In exchange for oil, we give weapons/cash. The KSA can then donate those to their specialised 'good' causes ..so everyone is happy, I guess